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1 posted on 12/15/2006 11:13:55 AM PST by FLOutdoorsman
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2 posted on 12/15/2006 11:17:31 AM PST by gubamyster
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It shouldn't take too long for counterfeit ID cards to get into circulation. Oh wait, that will never happen because they will make it illegal to do so.

Maybe we'd be better off without the government completely.


3 posted on 12/15/2006 11:18:36 AM PST by MichiganConservative (The US is so full of domestic enemies, maybe all we can do is slow the inevitable ascent of tyranny.)
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"Do you think your privacy is better protected if someone can walk around with phony docs with your name and your Social Security number, or is your privacy better protected if you have the confidence that the identification relied upon is in fact reliable and uniquely tied to a single individual?" Chertoff asked rhetorically.

Well they have to keep changing the currency to defeat counterfeiter's so I have little faith in this bs.

4 posted on 12/15/2006 11:22:25 AM PST by beltfed308 (Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
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I think this is why they keep delaying or pushing back mandatory dates for the passports.


5 posted on 12/15/2006 11:22:39 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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"common machine-readable technology"

This will probably turn out to be something ridiculous such as a device that broadcasts your social security number and credit history, but will be deemed "safe" because only government employees will have legal access to the readers.

6 posted on 12/15/2006 11:23:07 AM PST by MichiganConservative (The US is so full of domestic enemies, maybe all we can do is slow the inevitable ascent of tyranny.)
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Now how many SS numbers or identities were compromised courtesy of govt employees like the VA to name one?


7 posted on 12/15/2006 11:25:51 AM PST by beltfed308 (Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
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By 2008, Americans may be required to present such federally approved cards--which must be electronically readable--to travel on an airplane, open a bank account...

While Americans will need a "federally approved card" to open a bank account, all a foreigner will need is a matricula consular ID.

8 posted on 12/15/2006 11:26:41 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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I guess the bright side is that we can all feel more human and have more value as human beings with a nifty new government-issue ID card. I know I would feel like half a man if I didn't have a soc. sec. number.


9 posted on 12/15/2006 11:28:32 AM PST by MichiganConservative (The US is so full of domestic enemies, maybe all we can do is slow the inevitable ascent of tyranny.)
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Let's call it what it is - an internal passport.


10 posted on 12/15/2006 11:28:56 AM PST by PAR35
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"Do you think your privacy is better protected if someone can walk around with phony docs with your name and your Social Security number, or is your privacy better protected if you have the confidence that the identification relied upon is in fact reliable and uniquely tied to a single individual?" Chertoff asked rhetorically.

Oh, the former, definitely. That's why I think ID numbers (such as SS numbers) and RFID documents are a very, very, very bad idea.

The upcoming federally approved IDs are intended to be a secure, tamperproof means of protecting Americans' identities while keeping out terrorists and other wrongdoers, Chertoff said.

...But will turn out to be laughably insecure, remotely scannable, trivially copiable and completely ineffective and detecting terrorists.
13 posted on 12/15/2006 11:35:08 AM PST by xenophiles
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14 posted on 12/15/2006 11:36:42 AM PST by GOP Poet
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The federal government has no constitutional authority to I.D. all of the several states' citizens. This is a pure power grab plain and simple and will inevitably lead to a police state.


19 posted on 12/15/2006 12:10:41 PM PST by streetpreacher (RUDY/ROMNEY 2008: Supporting Marriage between a man and a woman, then a woman, then a woman...)
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Well that should keep us all safe from those nasty old people just like the screeners do at the airports.

Just another moronic idea from our ever alert officals in washington.


25 posted on 12/15/2006 12:16:45 PM PST by chiefqc
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Since Chertoff wants to protect our country with only a Virtual wall, we must have Real ID.
26 posted on 12/15/2006 12:17:47 PM PST by Plutarch
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So, now it sounds as though this is a done deal. In the past, this idea was discussed more as 'proposed' ID's. Now it is "...forthcoming national ID cards....". Looks like I will soon be out of work, as my job requires a security clearance and I refuse to be issued such ID. Truly, God Help Us All.


27 posted on 12/15/2006 12:21:47 PM PST by RoadGumby
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Funny, Sensenbrenner and Company such as Tom Davis who pushed hard for this got p*ssed when people called it as it was, a National ID Card.

The Real ID Act of 2005 is bad law, time for ts demise. It was passed without discussion, debate. It was a rider on a must pass piece of legislation. The same method used to pass unpopular legislation that the democrats used to pass their crap. Too bad the Republican House didn't do this to make tax repeal permanent such as the getting rid of the death tax.

The democrats are talking about repealing this. It makes sense.... The Real ID Act is a complex prescription and it micromanages the states on licensing way beyond the idea of keeping licenses out of illegal alien's hands. A simple law would to be withhold highway money if states issues licenses to illegals.
29 posted on 12/15/2006 1:10:10 PM PST by CORedneck
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>>>>>a core crime prevention challenge: determining a person's unspoken intentions.

Tell me there's not some advanced MRI type device in the works.

Sir, your brainwave pattern shows you are about to........

Kick a puppy

Smoke a joint or worse, a cigarette

Drink after your drive, oops, drive after you drink

Riding your bicycle without your helmet

Hell, just implant the damn chips.


33 posted on 12/15/2006 2:08:26 PM PST by swarthyguy
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