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Training of cops in NYC shooting faulted
AP on Yahoo ^ | 12/14/06 | Tom Hays - ap

Posted on 12/14/2006 7:31:00 PM PST by NormsRevenge

NEW YORK - Four of the five officers who together fired 50 gunshots at the car of an unarmed man on his wedding day hadn't completed mandatory firearms training, a group of black officers alleged Thursday.

New York Police Department brass "failed to ensure these officers were properly trained," said Marquez Claxton, a founder of 100 Blacks in Law Enforcement Who Care.

At a news conference outside police headquarters, Claxton alleged that four plainclothes officers involved in the Nov. 25 killing of 23-year-old Sean Bell and the wounding of two companions attended only one of two annual "training cycles" at the police shooting range. The fifth shooter, an unidentified undercover detective, had done both practice sessions, he added.

"When you fail to attend these training cycles, tragedies occur," Claxton said.

Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said the officers' track record on training was unremarkable.

"Ideally, everyone goes to two cycles, but it's not unusual for officers not to complete both cycles in one year," he said.

The fraternal organization — made up of current and retired law enforcement officers from the NYPD and other agencies — claimed that a preliminary police department report about the shooting contains proof the officers were undertrained.

The victims in the shooting were black; the officers were white, black and Hispanic.

The report lists the last time each officer was at the shooting range: One who fired 31 of the 50 rounds was there April 5; another on March 3; another on Jan. 12; and another on March 21. The undercover detective last took practice on Oct. 4, it says.

The report also notes that none of the officers had ever fired their weapons in the field before the confrontation outside a Queens topless bar where Bell's bachelor party intersected with a police undercover operation targeting suspected prostitution.

Police have said undercover officers believed the victims were going to retrieve a gun, but no weapons were found. The undercover officer, who initiated the gunfire, has said through his lawyer that he saw a fourth, possibly armed man flee the car.

Civilian witnesses supported that claim and identified the fourth person as Jean Nelson, police said. Nelson and the two survivors from the car, Trent Benefeld and Joseph Guzman, have denied he was in or near the car when the gunfire erupted.

The officers are on paid administrative leave while Queens prosecutor Richard Brown determines whether they will face criminal charges.

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Associated Press writer Pat Milton contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: faulted; nyc; police; shooting; training

1 posted on 12/14/2006 7:31:01 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
Image hosted by Photobucket.com the chickenheads FAILED to attend practice... how's that the nypd's fault???
2 posted on 12/14/2006 7:35:26 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: NormsRevenge

Despite my forum name, I'm Lilly-white.

Something defintely is wrong when FIVE cops shoot 50 shots at a guy who was unarmed and there was no proof that any weapon was present, nor was the victim in any way connected with criminal activities at the moment.

If these cops were undercover cops, they had an even GREATER responsibilty to use extreme caution in challenging ANYONE and using a weapon to enforce that challenge.

Just because someone with a gun yells "POLICE!!" in an unsavory neighborhood and pulls out a pistol, doesn't necessarily mean he or they WERE cops.

Police Officer have a responsibility to use their weapons in a responsible manner. These guys obviously did not, and I doubt very much if they will ever pay the consequences for their actions.

Meanwhile, there is a dead man, a dead finance and an entire family in grief and another reason to mistrust the police in a neighborhhod where they should be protectors, not assailants.

It seems once again, cops have demonstrated a gun in their hands is a more dangerous situation than a gun in the hands of your average law-abiding citizen.


3 posted on 12/14/2006 7:43:57 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: NormsRevenge
New York Police Department brass "failed to ensure these officers were properly trained," said Marquez Claxton, a founder of 100 Blacks in Law Enforcement Who Care.

Racial posturing that adds no new information is always helpful. To the posturer.

And what does the blackness of these 100 present (and former) LEOs contribute to the inquiry at hand? Did they know the men shot? Or do they get to sound off on this case because ballistics and evidence need to be analyzed on the basis of pigmentation? I didn't know there was such a thing as black bullets.

4 posted on 12/14/2006 7:45:56 PM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: NormsRevenge

They obviously were not well trained. 50 rounds at three targets & only one ends up dead? They need more range time, along with classes.


5 posted on 12/14/2006 7:47:55 PM PST by diogenes ghost
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To: ZULU
"It seems once again, cops have demonstrated a gun in their hands is a more dangerous situation than a gun in the hands of your average law-abiding citizen."

Or for that matter, your average criminal...
6 posted on 12/14/2006 8:06:36 PM PST by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: ZULU
There will always be ways to improve training, though even with the best training, I think that these incidents would still occur, as I've said before I'm not sure how to stop it. The best training can not simulate real fear for your life.

The general problem here is that these cops are in a shoot/don't shoot situation, where they generally have something less than one second to decide whether to shoot or not. It is very easy to make a mistake in that case, your adrenaline is pumping, you may be in reasonable fear of your life, and the light conditions (in this case) may be poor. Did that guy just reach for his wallet and car keys or a gun? Did he not see me or is he trying to kill me with that car?

Better confrontation decisions could be made, in the New York case, the officers could have kept there weapons holstered, called in the make and tags of the car and have a uniformed patrol get the car a bit down the street. The case in Atlanta seems that the police needed better intelligence all the way around, along with a better plan.

What we need may be a star trek phasers, set to stun. Unfortunately, we don't have those yet.
7 posted on 12/14/2006 9:09:34 PM PST by Hawk1976 (And for my next trick I will use splel chuck.)
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To: Hawk1976

"in the New York case, the officers could have kept there weapons holstered, called in the make and tags of the car and have a uniformed patrol get the car a bit down the street."

Exactly.


8 posted on 12/15/2006 8:21:50 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Hawk1976

"in the New York case, the officers could have kept there weapons holstered, called in the make and tags of the car and have a uniformed patrol get the car a bit down the street."

Exactly.


9 posted on 12/15/2006 8:22:31 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: babygene

"Or for that matter, your average criminal..."

True, but not in this case.


10 posted on 12/15/2006 8:23:02 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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