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To: zimdog
Well, earlier you had challenged the troop numbers and having been proven wrong on that you are now turning to troop percentage.

You're projecting again. You began the percentage discussion in 263: "Apples and oranges again. 20,000 of approx. 18 million is a tiny fraction of the overall troop strength."

The Wermacht had about 18,000,000 soldiers and 21,000 of them were Muslims.

Okay. Now add the Italian troop strength to that.

Next add any Axis colonial troops that assisted the Axis operations in Africa in any way. Libya, Italian Somalia and Eritrea are among the more notable Axis colonies with muslim populations, so a breakdown of muslims among those troops should be accounted for and added to the 13th Waffen-SS. You will also want to account for all west african troops who fought on the Vichy side of things from 1939-1942, break out the muslim populations for them, and add that to Hitler's muslim total. And you'll want to add in lesser allies of the Reich. This includes the troops of Rashid Ali al-Gillani, who allied with Hitler and attacked the British in the middle east. The British recorded taking 10,000 casualties and prisoners from the Iraqi nazis, and their total army would have been significantly larger.

That should give you two figures: (1) total Atlantic theater axis forces, and (2) muslims in the Atlantic theater axis forces. Remember, this latter figure includes 21,000 from the 13th Waffen-SS + at least 10,000 under Rashid Ali al-Gillani + all muslims who assisted from the Italian colonies + all muslims who assisted from the Vichy colonies.

Next we can turn to the allied side of the Atlantic theater. This means adding up all the atlantic theater troops of the Soviet Union, Great Britain, and the United States. Add to that the Czech, Polish, Greek, Belgian, Dutch, Scandinavian and French troops who fought at the war's beginning or in occupied territories, and their respective European resistance movements. Next you can add the total for all the allied African colonial troops you keep talking about, muslim and non-muslim.

Separate from that, provide a RELIABLE number for the muslims among the colonial african troops.

That too should give you two numbers: (1) total Atlantic theater allied forces, and (2) muslims in Atlantic theater allied forces.

Now for both allies and axis powers, divide figure 2 into figure 1 and multiply the totals by 100. That will give you the percentage of muslims fighting on each side of the war in the atlantic theater. Right now I'm betting that the Axis percentage is larger.

406 posted on 01/25/2007 2:41:29 PM PST by lqclamar
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To: lqclamar
You began the percentage discussion in 263: "Apples and oranges again. 20,000 of approx. 18 million is a tiny fraction of the overall troop strength."

Your #233: "But since some of the places in question were less than 1% muslim, their enlistment rates could be twice that of everybody else and they'd still be a tiny minority in the FFL. Or in other words, inconsequential and peripheral."

Emphasis mine. Dimissal of 1% Muslim troop strength yours.

That too should give you two numbers: (1) total Atlantic theater allied forces, and (2) muslims in Atlantic theater allied forces.

I'm not going to hunt for numbers jsut to please you. I've just cited above some 275,354 West African troops and we've earlier established that approximately 2/3rds of those troops were Muslims. This gives approximately 180,000 West African Muslim troops alone. This is 9 times the number that the Nazis had. The Nazis also had 18,000,000 soldiers, so if you can find some record of some 162,000,000 Allied troops in the Atlantic theater, then we might consider that the "Axis percentage is larger."

420 posted on 02/02/2007 9:53:36 PM PST by zimdog
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