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To: zimdog
I raised the possibility that the French concentrated their recruitment efforts in Muslims communities.

You did so to suggest, without evidence, that the French concentrated recruitment efforts among muslims.

You suggested that, but without evidence.

Actually, the colonies that De Gualle controlled are a matter of historical record. Only one of them had a substantial muslim population.

Furthermore, all colonies were "non-Vichy" after 1942.

...which makes them three years late compared to the non-muslim De Gaulle colonies.

That makes no sense. If the French recruited mostly Muslims, then the majority of the troops would be Muslim.

Except that you've provided no evidence of that ever occuring.

I said that Muslims constituted a plurality among religious groups in the FFL's African army.

Given the sparsity of numbers until now and the evasiveness of your tongue, that is far from clear.Early on you were suggesting that muslims and the FFL were virtually synonymous.

It is also a dubious assertion at best, considering that the mahometan colonies were all latecomers to De Gaulle's forces. Of course you could easily put the matter to rest by being forthright on your statistics. Put another way:

(Muslim FFL/Total FFL)*100=% Muslim

From there we can figure out their percentage in the total allied effort.

379 posted on 01/25/2007 9:42:37 AM PST by lqclamar
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To: lqclamar
You did so to suggest, without evidence, that the French concentrated recruitment efforts among muslims.

I did so to suggest that you were ascribing a great deal of importance to numbers without any knowledge of the facts on the ground.

Actually, the colonies that De Gualle controlled are a matter of historical record.

But the characterization of their support is either subjective or should be based on numbers like troop strength. What is it?

...which makes them three years late compared to the non-muslim De Gaulle colonies.

Two years and some (summer 1940-November 1942), and that was largely a choice of the fascist Christians in charge of the colonies.

Except that you've provided no evidence of that ever occuring.

Again, it's not a claim I'm making. I'm simply pointing out your willingness to play with numbers. You claim that even if the French concentrated their recruitment efforts among Muslims in colonies where Muslims were a distinct minority, "those colonies would still produce a small minority of the troops raised there." (#350) Of course, that makes no sense, because if the majority of French recruits were Muslims, the majority of the troops would be Muslims, regardless of the makeup of the overall population.

Given the sparsity of numbers until now and the evasiveness of your tongue, that is far from clear.Early on you were suggesting that muslims and the FFL were virtually synonymous.

I suggested no such thing.

It is also a dubious assertion at best, considering that the mahometan colonies were all latecomers to De Gaulle's forces. Of course you could easily put the matter to rest by being forthright on your statistics. Put another way: (Muslim FFL/Total FFL)*100=% Muslim

De Gaulle had approx. 100,000 troops in the Italian campaign and his policy of "whitening" the army replaced 20,000 West African soldiers with European French troops. So, given the 66.4% Muslim participation in the West African forces, we can reasonably expect 12,000-13,000 Muslims in the force of 100,000, or 12% of the invasion force.

396 posted on 01/25/2007 1:28:48 PM PST by zimdog
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