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To: zimdog
I asked the author of a bad idea to justify one of the many bad results of that bad idea. If such a result can't be justified, the blames lays with the author who is either unable or unwilling.

No. You constructed a ridiculous strawman of his initial idea, presented it to him in an hyperbole-laden version, and demanded that he defend the details of the caricature you created even though they were not his to defend. The blame on that is entirely your own.

EPWR has clearly stated that he wants to imprison -- without charges and for an indeterminate time -- a group of American citizens throughout the entire country based on their ethnic and/or religious background alone.

Yeah, and he has clear constitutional precedence to do so in Korematsu v. U.S.

The concentration camps that would result his dream of a moslemrein America might come to resemble FDR's internment camps or they might resemble Hitler's execution camps.

Baseless accusations. EPWR has stated clearly that his proposal would be modeled on FDR's internment of the Japanese and Germans. You have absolutely no evidence or genuine reason to draw comparison with Hitler.

deemed Constitutional at the time but immoral for all time, that "the only good Indian is a dead Indian".

And specifically what ruling was that exact phrase used in?

370 posted on 01/25/2007 8:50:06 AM PST by lqclamar
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To: lqclamar
No. You constructed a ridiculous strawman of his initial idea, presented it to him in an hyperbole-laden version, and demanded that he defend the details of the caricature you created even though they were not his to defend.

He stated quite clearly that he wanted all Muslims interned in concentration camps. This includes Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Zalmay Khalilzad.

Yeah, and he has clear constitutional precedence to do so in Korematsu v. U.S.

It would take a declaration of war, among other things, to meet the conditions set forth in the opinions of Black and Frankfurter in the Korematsu case. Furthermore, such a plan would require the clearly unconstitutional government intrusion into the religion, as Americans would have to register their faiths with the state before the state could round up the adherents of a particular faith. So, no, Korematsu isn't much of a precedent.

EPWR has stated clearly that his proposal would be modeled on FDR's internment of the Japanese and Germans.

Only recently. He was earlier in favor of concentration camps for all Muslims throughout the country.

You have absolutely no evidence or genuine reason to draw comparison with Hitler.

Save for the fact that he wants camps for all practitioners of a particular faith. FDR's exclusion act, faulty as it was, spared Americans of Japanese descent who lived outside the exclusion zones of California, Washington, Oregon and Alaska.

And specifically what ruling was that exact phrase used in?

The specific phrase is too crude for the Supreme Court. However, it was unchallenged de facto government policy throughout much of the 19th century.

385 posted on 01/25/2007 12:35:50 PM PST by zimdog
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