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To: zimdog
EPWR's evasion of the question, and lqclamar's subsequent defense, is a classic example of the triumph of emotion over reason and responsibility.

A lame excuse for an equally lame debating tactic. The point is you've tried many a time to set up trap questions with artificial constructs intended to produce a desired answer. When others see through your game and refuse, you get all pissy and start accusing them of avoiding your contrived question. But the fault was in that question all along.

Apparently the two of you see no problem with outrageous demands (such as concentration camps for all American Muslims)

Drop the hyperbole, zimdog. Though I do not speak for him, what I believe EPWR advocated was a U.S. internment program of first generation muslims in the United States similar to the internment policies of WWII for 1st generation Japanese and German citizens. Ever since then you have spun and distorted his views into a copy of the Hitler-style "concentration camp" for Jews, when they were nothing of the sort and more accurately resembled the U.S. policy in WWII that was personally designed by Franklin Roosevelt and found to be constitutional by the Supreme Court in Korematsu v. United States. Like it or not, the precedent is against you on this one and no amount of contrived Hitler analogies will alter that.

339 posted on 01/22/2007 9:26:51 AM PST by lqclamar
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To: lqclamar; zimdog
"Drop the hyperbole, zimdog. Though I do not speak for him, what I believe EPWR advocated was a U.S. internment program of first generation muslims in the United States similar to the internment policies of WWII for 1st generation Japanese and German citizens. "

That's exactly it. I think it's necessary until the end of this war. Zimdog would prefer we lose, I believe.

I believe Lincoln said that the Constitution is not a suicide pact.
353 posted on 01/22/2007 4:44:22 PM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: lqclamar
A lame excuse for an equally lame debating tactic.

I asked the author of a bad idea to justify one of the many bad results of that bad idea. If such a result can't be justified, the blames lays with the author who is either unable or unwilling.

When others see through your game and refuse, you get all pissy and start accusing them of avoiding your contrived question.

Yes. God forbid we expect people to be responsible for their words and actions.

Ever since then you have spun and distorted his views into a copy of the Hitler-style "concentration camp" for Jews, when they were nothing of the sort and more accurately resembled the U.S. policy in WWII that was personally designed by Franklin Roosevelt and found to be constitutional by the Supreme Court in Korematsu v. United States.

EPWR has clearly stated that he wants to imprison -- without charges and for an indeterminate time -- a group of American citizens throughout the entire country based on their ethnic and/or religious background alone. The concentration camps that would result his dream of a moslemrein America might come to resemble FDR's internment camps or they might resemble Hitler's execution camps. Given the sentiments of EPWR's colleagues in the Nuke Mecca Crowd, and educated guess is that he would prefer to follow the old mantra, deemed Constitutional at the time but immoral for all time, that "the only good Indian is a dead Indian". His concentration camps make this easier, which is the greatest reason to oppose them.

355 posted on 01/25/2007 3:20:21 AM PST by zimdog
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