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To: zimdog
Except of course, the tens of thousands of Muslims who fought the Nazis in the Free French Army, fighting for freedom and decency against those who, like the Nuke Mecca Crowd, claimed to be defending Western Civilization.

The Forces Francaises Libres included some soldiers from French African colonial holdings, some of whom happened to also be muslims. Their participation in the FFL had no theological origin to it, and instead stemmed from the fact that the Nazis were running around North Africa seizing the land that these people lived on.

The reference to which you responded in the previous tu quoque was to the well documented support of Hitler by Muhammed Amin al Husseini, a leading mahometan cleric in Palestine who participated in the Holocaust for anti-semitic theological reasons.

Those theological reasons, of course, are the key distinction here. Muslim members of the FFL were fighting because their homes were under attack, and not for any theological reason. The fact that they were muslim was purely incidental. Al Husseini, by contrast, assisted in the Holocaust in his capacity as a mahometan cleric and for theological reasons stemming from his religious views. His hatred of the Jews was a direct product of his extremist theology.

118 posted on 01/08/2007 9:19:19 PM PST by lqclamar
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To: lqclamar
The Forces Francaises Libres included some soldiers from French African colonial holdings, some of whom happened to also be muslims. Their participation in the FFL had no theological origin to it, and instead stemmed from the fact that the Nazis were running around North Africa seizing the land that these people lived on.

Actually the FFL forces were primarily troops from France's African colonies until the latter stages of the war, during the Hexagon's liberation. And of these troops, Muslims formed a plurality.

The reference to which you responded in the previous tu quoque was to the well documented support of Hitler by Muhammed Amin al Husseini, a leading mahometan cleric in Palestine who participated in the Holocaust for anti-semitic theological reasons.

A more likely explanation is that he gave theological reasons for his anti-Semitic stance against Jewish settlement in Palestine. Still, you've named one, and I've named tens of thousands.

Those theological reasons, of course, are the key distinction here. Muslim members of the FFL were fighting because their homes were under attack, and not for any theological reason.

No they weren't. They were fighting against Fascism and for freedom. There was nary a Nazi in upper French Guinea, western Niger, Chad, Centrafrique, etc.

The fact that they were muslim was purely incidental.

If Moslems heart Nazis as much as you say, the "purely incidental" number of Muslims fighting the Nazis should have been much, much smaller.

Al Husseini, by contrast, assisted in the Holocaust in his capacity as a mahometan cleric and for theological reasons stemming from his religious views. His hatred of the Jews was a direct product of his extremist theology.

Perhaps it was, but he was only one. There were many more Muslim theologians supporting the FFL and fighting the Nazis.

123 posted on 01/08/2007 10:08:10 PM PST by zimdog
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