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Take 32 Grams of Tylenol and Call Me in 25 Years
Reason ^ | December 13, 2006 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 12/13/2006 6:54:17 AM PST by FormerACLUmember

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To: domenad

Two wrongs don't make a right. They both need abolished.

Everyone should bookmark this page and refer to it when some poster says "If you are not a criminal, you have nothing to fear from the police."


41 posted on 12/13/2006 7:33:02 AM PST by FreeInWV
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To: All

How does a person get these laws overturned to include common sense and individual decision?

One-size-fits-all pain medication cannot be legislated.

Is this a State, Federal or local issue?

What about the "Innocence Project" stepping in to get this overturned...or do they only deal in rape and DNA product investigations?


42 posted on 12/13/2006 7:33:06 AM PST by imintrouble
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To: FormerACLUmember
This case is an atrocity, a complete violation of human rights.

Save it. Paey is an activist who was begging to get arrested.

43 posted on 12/13/2006 7:33:22 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: ClaireSolt

I have and still do. The drug war has not stopped anyone from using drugs. It has, instead, filled our prisons and streets with criminals. A man with a drug conviction for smoking a joint can't get a loan to get a college education. He can't participate in over a hundred different professions. For a fraction of the law enforcement (not even counting the human cost), we could treat drug users for their addiction. And lastly, who the hell is the federal government to tell me what I can and can't put into my body?


44 posted on 12/13/2006 7:33:29 AM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The purpose of the war on some drugs is to provide employment opportunities for LEOs and attorneys, and human fodder for the pri$on-industrial complex. Period.

What a remarkably lame comment.

45 posted on 12/13/2006 7:34:42 AM PST by r9etb
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To: FormerACLUmember

I hope the drug warriors are proud of this one.

I can't believe that we as a society take this lying down. If only more people knew the truth. Like the above poster said.. Patriot Act?... Rights lost to the Patriot Act are NOTHING compared to what was lost in the name of the WoD. The damage caused by this is incalculable, and yet, if I wanted to, I could get any drug I wanted, cheaply and easily, just about anywhere.

THAT'S what I call a quagmire... An un-winnable war that makes criminals out of truly innocent people.


46 posted on 12/13/2006 7:35:15 AM PST by Bones75
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To: mbynack
Richard Paey was offered multiple plea deals that would have spared him jail time, but turned them all down.

Exactly. Paey is in jail because that's where he wants to be, making a spectacle of himself.

47 posted on 12/13/2006 7:36:30 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: r9etb

"The purpose of the war on some drugs is to provide employment opportunities for LEOs and attorneys, and human fodder for the pri$on-industrial complex. Period."

"What a remarkably lame comment."

That comment is ABSOLUTELY true. It's also a symptom of the government's methoed of never realizing that what they've done is wrong, it's just that they haven't done ENOUGH of it yet!


48 posted on 12/13/2006 7:36:56 AM PST by Bones75
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To: FormerACLUmember

"32 grams = about the weight of a fingernail or a few drops of water = 25 years of jail in Florida in your wheelchair attached to a morphine pump = millions of dollars of taxpayer money utterly wasted = innocent lives ruined = justice perverted"

Actually 32 g. = 1.124 OUNCE. In drug terms, that is a bunch.


49 posted on 12/13/2006 7:37:01 AM PST by lawdude (2006: The elections we will live to die for!)
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To: Moonman62
Paey said Nurkiewicz authorized all the prescriptions he filled in Florida. Nurkiewicz, who could have faced charges himself if he had backed up Paey's story, said he stopped treating Paey in December 1996.


Maybe it's because he's innocent
50 posted on 12/13/2006 7:39:58 AM PST by grjr21
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To: r9etb
What a remarkably lame comment.

Sort of like yours.

51 posted on 12/13/2006 7:41:32 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: KarlInOhio
Or maybe "accepted medical practice" is to avoid problems with the Federales.

Could be. However, there is clearly a legitimate case to be made for medical caution. I know several people who have at one time or another become addicted to pain medication, and there are definite toxicity issues that must be dealt with as well. Good doctors would be concerned about such things.

52 posted on 12/13/2006 7:42:20 AM PST by r9etb
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To: FormerACLUmember

He should be killed. After all, he had drugs. In this country, having drugs is the only thing worse than being called a racist. He had drugs, he should go to prison forever. There is a war on drugs, you know. Everyone who uses drugs of any kind must be imprisoned. No excuses. Lock them all up. Throw away the key. The war on drugs must go on until we have locked up everyone with drugs and confiscated all their property. It's for the children. /sarcasm


53 posted on 12/13/2006 7:43:26 AM PST by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: FormerACLUmember

The headline and rationalization that 98% of the substance was over-the-counter is the absurd part. Putting a narcotic in a legal substance does not alter the narcotic's illegality.

But it seems he got what he wanted. He turned down all plea bargains until they put him in jail with a morphine pump.


54 posted on 12/13/2006 7:44:00 AM PST by zeebee
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To: FormerACLUmember

No prosecutor wants me as juror on a drug case. I don't know why more juries don't exercise jury nullification, because I know I would.


55 posted on 12/13/2006 7:44:08 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Bones75; E. Pluribus Unum
That comment is ABSOLUTELY true.

The comment is preposterous. The war on "some drugs?" Which ones? Any potential meaning for the comment was lost right there.

And the only reason for drug laws is to provide LEO jobs and human fodder for the prisons? Pshaw.

Both of you folks need to get an adult grip on life.

56 posted on 12/13/2006 7:45:46 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Alter Kaker
Stupid demagoguery for stupid people who trust courts enough to separate the innocent from the guilty but not enough to determine appropriate sentences

Juries determine guilt. But judges impose sentences. I'm comfortable that, overall, juries do not do too bad a job on the guilt thing. There's a lot of evidence that a lot of judges do a pretty bad job on the sentencing thing; and usually they err on the low side.

There are a lot of factors that bias judges to soft sentancing--but leftist ideology and overcrowded prisons are probably the most important. There are, on the other hand, few factors that systematically bias judges to be too harsh.

Justice is very imperfect. You have to balance occasional outrages like this one against the probation sentences judges used to impose on serious criminals before mandatory minimum sentencing and the solved and unsolved crimes the released criminals committed while on parole.

This is a fairly difficult balance to achieve and mandatory sentences are one, albeit imperfect, try at achieving the right balance. To call them "stupid demagoguery" seems to me just a little hyperbolic.

57 posted on 12/13/2006 7:46:22 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: ClaireSolt
Rant On:
Well Ms Claire, I'll step in here and say IMO if the WOD were prosecuted differently and the various local, state, and federal governments would keep their collective hands out and off of where they don't belong there would still be horrible stories like those you allude to but IMO the number who be greatly fewer and we would not have entire neighborhoods and communities lost to drugs and the subculture that has risen around those drugs. I truly believe the illegality of drugs has caused much of the associated bad things and has corrupted many of the people and agencies tasked with fighting drugs, I'm not even talking about crooked cops, I'm taking about the forfeiture laws, the no-knock raids, employee and student drug testing, and the list goes on.
I'm only 39, but I can't even imagine what this country was like before FDR and the Pure Food and Drug Act, and the Warren Court, and the EPA, and that list goes on also. I'm sure it wasn't perfect but I very nearly weep when I read or hear about what freedom was once like, and the fact that now I have probably committed multiple felonies on a daily basis.
The above is only my opinion, and worth what you paid but your post leaves me cold.
Rant OFF
58 posted on 12/13/2006 7:46:33 AM PST by thinkthenpost
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To: grjr21

"Paey said Nurkiewicz authorized all the prescriptions he filled in Florida. Nurkiewicz, who could have faced charges himself if he had backed up Paey's story, said he stopped treating Paey in December 1996.


Maybe it's because he's innocent"

Doesn't matter if you're innocent, once you're in the system. Especially over a drug "crime".. On your knees, bow to your masters!


59 posted on 12/13/2006 7:47:35 AM PST by Bones75
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To: ecomcon
How many pills is 32 grams?

Well, there's 28 grams in a ounce. So, not a whole lot.

The bottle of Tylenol I have at my desk has 500mg tablets. So, 32 grams = 64 tablets of Tylenol. Does that help?

60 posted on 12/13/2006 7:48:33 AM PST by wbill
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