[jammer]

If a few thousand dead meant you were losing a war, then we've never won one.

You're right, of course. But I think that's not the criterion by which many of the electorate believe we're "losing." Rightly or wrongly, they infer from what they see as, to be fair, the chaos, that we are losing. Not militarily, but in the ability of us to achieve the stated goal of a self-sustaining, self-reliant, stable "democracy".

[Dominic Harr]

Not militarily, but in the ability of us to achieve the stated goal of a self-sustaining, self-reliant, stable "democracy".

Exactly. Not losing militarily. Losing 'politically'.

There's a total lack of perspective. The same way the MSM distorts all stories -- by carefully leaving out contextual information.

If they were to compare this to any other major conflict in American history, it would ruin their 'spin'. If we stay long enough, we will win eventually. It's just a matter of do we have the stomach to take the casualties.

In 30 days of fighting on Iwo Jima, we took over 6000 dead. We bled more over that small island than we have over Iraq. But we just don't have the stomach for a fight anymore.

Our will is weak.

[Clifford The Big Red Dog]

We won the Tet Offensive, too.

But you'd have never guessed it listening to Uncle Walter back in the day.