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Did A Lone Rabbi Mean to Ban Christmas Trees?
Townhall.com ^ | December 10, 2006 | Michael Medved

Posted on 12/11/2006 8:14:08 AM PST by beaversmom

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To: GladesGuru

Having had all too much interaction with AgencyPersons, I can assure my fellow FReepers that often only threat of a federal suit will cause any positive action on the part of the Agency or the AgencyPerson.

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Got that right!


361 posted on 12/11/2006 2:50:54 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Republicans only win if they are conservative. Woe befalls any who forget that.)
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To: APRPEH
Well we got that. 0 = 0.

called for equal time.

362 posted on 12/11/2006 2:53:03 PM PST by DManA
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To: Sabramerican
"And why shouldn't he continue his lawsuit to have a display of a Menorah.

You know how Christians always say that they have the right to proselytize- even where unwanted- because it is a religious mandate, well uniquely to the Menorah at Chanukah, there is a precept to have the lights publicly displayed to give witness to God's miracles."

He has every right to sue to his little hearts content. And everyone else can feel and act the way they wish in response. Personally, I think if the option is to have every single faith publicly represented on government property , I'd rather see none.

363 posted on 12/11/2006 2:55:29 PM PST by moehoward
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To: DManA
Medved only makes friends with Republicans?

Perhaps not all of his friends are Republicans, but, considering his ideology and his interests, I'd venture a guess that most of them are.

364 posted on 12/11/2006 2:56:19 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: Sabramerican
Well he has the right to file suit. He has the right to demand an apology, from people he's suing, because they are telling others that he's filing suit. He has the right to squawk when things don't go to suit him.

He's just loaded with rights. I don't know if you noticed (the Mel Gibson story so overshadowed this event) but a prominent Jewish lady in SEATTLE was murdered many weeks back by what looked to me, at least, an Islamic terrorist.

Airport? Like in LA? Airport? Like where all these Islamo-nuts seem to love to stage their antics?

You're darn tootin' I wouldn't allow a Jewish candle-lighting ceremony in this public and dangerous venue to take place. It'd be totally stupid. Much more provident to remove the trees.

365 posted on 12/11/2006 2:56:45 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: gogogodzilla
I'm a little slow this evening. What religions place trees up in December?

Pagans. Christmas occurs when it does because the Church wanted to co-opt the pagan winter solstice celebration of Saturnalia. We do not know the exact date of Jesus' birth, but we know that it was NOT in winter because of Luke 2:8

"And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night"
which they would not be doing in winter

I know some pagans who would be obnoxious enough to send SEA-TAC an "include us too or we sue" letter

366 posted on 12/11/2006 2:57:34 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: Kirkwood
Have I backpedaled?

Making excuses even after the original media story was shown to be inaccurate? That's called backpedaling. Actually holding on to the original "fake but accurate" lie is not even on a level of backpedaling.

I am still convinced this rabbi is not pure of heart, but has a political agenda based on his personal bigotry.

Nothing will un-convince you. You were a bigot before this story broke and now you have an excuse to match your personal agenda you won't let go. Are you a mind reader? A clairvoyant? How do you know what this rabbi is thinking? Do you know this rabbi personally? (My sons do, BTW). What evidence do you have against him other than your own personal bigotry?

367 posted on 12/11/2006 3:00:32 PM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 97-103)
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To: SJackson
I admit it's not a big issue to me, I don't need "Public Square Christians" howling about a menorah to inform me of the existance of bigots.

We're getting closer to understanding each other here. I am wondering, though, if the issue of "public square" automatically indicates the presence of bigots. Is it bigotry to put up a nativity, or just to tell Jews they can't put up a menorah during the Jewish calendar time for Hannukah? I think Jews should be able to display menorahs publicly.

Your remark on an earlier post for Muslims also to be able to put up the crescent because there is a Christmas tree up has concerned me; whereas if they want to hang illuminated crescents around town and share their crescent stories during the Ramadan season, they should have a right. Insisting on doing so during the Christmas season is inappropriate and covetous, IMHO.

368 posted on 12/11/2006 3:02:13 PM PST by Albion Wilde (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. -2 Cor 3:17)
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To: Vicomte13

I don't have any problem with celebrating our pagan background. It is part of my ethnicity as a "European American". Christmas trees, Easter bunnies, yule logs, Halloween costumes, jack-o-lanterns, they all make us who we are.


369 posted on 12/11/2006 3:02:19 PM PST by Burkean
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To: justiceseeker93
Yea, I have no idea either.

I'd venture a guess that most of them are.

370 posted on 12/11/2006 3:03:13 PM PST by DManA
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To: SauronOfMordor

LOL.


371 posted on 12/11/2006 3:03:50 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: Hildy
STFU....what is wrong

Madam - I've read a lot of your posts. And we are all wrong now and again. Today is, apprently, one of your days for being wrong.

372 posted on 12/11/2006 3:05:34 PM PST by surely_you_jest
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To: SauronOfMordor

While I don't make issue about when Jesus was born, the time of year wouldn't be based on that verse about sheep. This is the second time I've come across this on FR and I find it a dumb argument. One shouldn't assume that every sheepherding enterprise 2000 years ago had access to a warm barn or whatever when bad weather approched. Plenty of sheepherders get stuck outdoors in modern times in bad weather. I guess some might have gotten barns, but all surely did not.


373 posted on 12/11/2006 3:05:39 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Alouette
How was the story inaccurate? Do you mean there was no threat to sue? There most definitely was a threat--and the port told the Rabbi's Democrat lawyer that they planned to remove the trees rather than add more decorations. The Rabbi's team (which included a member of the Port advisory board who seems to be a member of this Rabbi's flock) had an opportunity to withdraw the suit, and did not, making themselves a party to the removal of the trees.
374 posted on 12/11/2006 3:09:26 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: DManA

yes and it sucks that all of us have spent this time and energy posting back and forth the merits of culture vs. law and religious values vs. fairness, and Christian bashing vs. Jewish acceptance. why didnt they just put the Menorah up like thousands of others all over the place? Rabbi Bogomilsky using the law to stand behind his right to request a public display of a Menorah is not, as has been portrayed here today an outrage. it is an outrage that it became necessary to do so. I understand your (and others) sense of loss over this event. it is as absurd to blame the messenger which in this case is the Rabbi who was pointed out an inconsistency in law with the airport authority. Anyone who sees this and doesnt know that the airport by its action was trying to shift the blame by offending everyone equally as group punishment is wanting to see more to the event than is there.


375 posted on 12/11/2006 3:11:50 PM PST by APRPEH (id theft info available on my profile page)
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To: beaversmom
Did A Lone Rabbi Mean to Ban Christmas Trees?

Who cares what the scumbag meant to do? Fact is, he killed the tradition at Sea Tac Airport.

376 posted on 12/11/2006 3:12:10 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: beaversmom

"the airport offended just about everyone with their removal of the trees."

was this all a mistake or were the words remove the trees or we will sue not uttered?

now it's the airport who (which) is at fault? the authorities mis-understood the threat of a lawsuit if the trees were not removed?

just who the he** are these people and where do they get their ba&&s to be so obnoxious and then have the audacity to deny their intent?

o.k. all you christians...your christianity is offensive and you should all
go away. sarcasm off.


377 posted on 12/11/2006 3:15:32 PM PST by ripley
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To: swarthyguy

Probably. They're not really Christian, but they symbolize America at Christmas time, even if they only symbolize shopping, and getting rid of them is enough to gladden any mullah's heart.


378 posted on 12/11/2006 3:15:46 PM PST by livius
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To: Mamzelle
How was the story inaccurate?

The story reported that the rabbi's intention was to remove the Christmas decorations from the airport, and that he was offended by the decorations.

HE NEVER DEMANDED THAT THE AIRPORT REMOVE THE CHRISTMAS DECORATIONS.

Jeez, you would think people were getting their throats slashed on airliners or something.

379 posted on 12/11/2006 3:15:52 PM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 97-103)
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To: beaversmom
The airport may not be “in the business of offending anyone” but they’ve just offended just about everyone with their stubborn, wrong-headed, and utterly misguided decision.

Wow. It's rare to see Medved so glaringly wrong. The airport only did the obvious thing and took the path of least resistance (and cost). Congratulations to Medved's lawsuit-happy, scumbag rabbi buddy.

380 posted on 12/11/2006 3:17:10 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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