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CA: Droves say goodbye to Golden State
Mercury News ^ | 12/10/06 | Mike Swift

Posted on 12/10/2006 10:28:48 AM PST by NormsRevenge

Wayne Brown gave up $40,000 in income to move from the Bay Area to Kansas. And he feels great.

It got to be too much last year for the college information-technology officer: the commute to downtown San Francisco that sometimes took two hours, the housing-price spiral and the high-wire borrowing that paid for it.

``I would find myself sitting in traffic,'' Brown recalled, ``screaming at people.''

When the Kansas job came up in early 2005, Brown and his wife, Teresa, sold two Bay Area homes and happily settled in a suburb of Kansas City. They have never looked back.

The Browns are an example of what demographers say appears to be an unprecedented phenomenon -- even in a good economy, more people are leaving California for other states than are arriving from the rest of the country.

Between 2004 and 2005, the migration flow into California from the other 49 states started flowing the other way. Data from the state Department of Finance shows that, for the first time this decade, more people left California in 2005 for another state than the number who moved in. Mary Heim, a finance department demographer, says this particular kind of outflow will continue for the foreseeable future.

Unlike the tens of thousands who left Silicon Valley following the tech bust earlier this decade, the new migration is about the quest for something besides a job: a better quality of life at a lower cost of living.

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... California's population of 37 million people is still growing, because of a surplus of births over deaths and because of foreign immigration.

(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2bsayingbyeoon; caexodus; california; crimigration; droves; foreigninvasion; goldenstate; goodbye; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; invasionusa; landoffruitsandnuts; thirdworldstate
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To: goldstategop
You can buy a 2000 ft square home for a third of what it can be had in California.

Closer to 3000 square feet but otherwise spot on.

201 posted on 12/10/2006 7:07:41 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: oceanview
yes, but what kind of jobs can they get? home prices in the NYC metro area are high - but so are salaries.

Home prices, transportation, food, insurance, gasoline, everything is higher. We've got Sprint, Hallmark, Assuent, Black & Veatch, and a couple other world class companies. And if my salary is lower than in New York or LA, my daily commute to work is 10 minutes on a bad day. Can't put a price on that.

202 posted on 12/10/2006 7:11:34 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: NormsRevenge
California's population of 37 million people is still growing, because of a surplus of births over deaths and because of foreign immigration.


203 posted on 12/10/2006 7:17:14 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: NormsRevenge

And all that will be left in California is rich, white liberals, ghetto punks, and unassimilable Mexicans...


204 posted on 12/10/2006 7:19:02 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (“Don’t overestimate the decency of the human race.” —H. L. Mencken)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

I'd say goron tried to slam me a wee bit.


205 posted on 12/10/2006 7:19:59 PM PST by devane617 (It's McCain and a Rat -- Now what?)
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To: marajade
Insurance Commissioner. Whoa.

I just moved to CA from TX, and I'm doing whatever I can to turn CA around, get R voters out, etc.

There are two choices: Give up on CA or try to turn a very difficult state around. I've made my choice, and I'm happy with it.

The good news is that with the mass exodus OUT of CA, one R has moved in recently who is making a difference. :)

206 posted on 12/10/2006 7:21:26 PM PST by KJC1 (Right when you think you're really good is when you need to pay the most attention)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I'm rich but not THAT rich and I don't care for the outrageous property prices here. Also, everything is more expensive than it needs to be. Yeah, you're right though - California's middle class will vanish and the state will have a thin crust of obscenely rich white liberals ruling over a mass poor black and brown population. Like in South Africa's apartheid days. White minority rule. Its not going to be the harmonious multicultural society long envisioned by the Left. Far from it.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

207 posted on 12/10/2006 7:23:14 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: ByDesign
California will become the ultimate liberal nirvanah - mile after mile of ghetto and bario, with walled and armed enclaves for rich liberals scattered here and there. We're almost there - but i won't be.

Perfect description!
The place will ultimately become the American Zimbabwe - - it's only a matter of time before the state comes for the rich liberals and their gated communities, too. And, like with the last white farmers in Zimbabwe who ignored the writing on the wall to the very end, it will be tough to have much sympathy.

208 posted on 12/10/2006 7:24:17 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: martin_fierro

Must be the WTF rate...


209 posted on 12/10/2006 7:25:01 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (“Don’t overestimate the decency of the human race.” —H. L. Mencken)
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To: Syntyr

Reconquista Mart...


210 posted on 12/10/2006 7:26:04 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (“Don’t overestimate the decency of the human race.” —H. L. Mencken)
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To: NormsRevenge

"more people are leaving California for other states than are arriving from the rest of the country."

Well of course, Kali is a septic festering sore, too bad they are all being replaced by illegals from around the world.
Illegals who bring their own festering disease of the body and mind with them.


211 posted on 12/10/2006 7:28:00 PM PST by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: My2Cents
Californians are migrating to Nevada, Oregon, and Arizona, and are ruining those states as well.

Nothing new about that, I remember the Seattle area having bumper stickers which read "STOP THE CALIFORNICATION OF WASHINGTON STATE" back in the late 1980s. Obviously, the bumper sticker authors were highly prescient since Washington (particularly the Seattle area) IS CALIFORNICATED NOW!

212 posted on 12/10/2006 7:28:04 PM PST by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: oceanview
there is no where to run to anymore. sure, you can buy yourself some time. but there is no "utopia" in america anymore, whatever problems you have in the state you are fleeing from, its coming to your destination state in time. that's why I stay in NY.

I'm struggling with this very thing. Where to go? So many have fled California only to find the same problems starting in their new home towns.

213 posted on 12/10/2006 7:28:26 PM PST by Nea Wood (Is cheap, illegal labor worth one life?)
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To: Plains Drifter
The first thing this lady from New York said to me upon arriving was "I can't understand why you people need all these guns." I said if you don't like them go back to New York.

Offer her a one-way plane ticket. I don't want to retire in a red-state just to have it purpled by these whack-job idiots!

214 posted on 12/10/2006 7:30:55 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (“Don’t overestimate the decency of the human race.” —H. L. Mencken)
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To: Nea Wood

I hear from NY friends who fled to Florida. they are slowly souring on it - traffic, now insurance rates are going through the roof, etc.


215 posted on 12/10/2006 7:32:14 PM PST by oceanview
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To: staytrue

Actually, the high housing cost in California is partly due to those open-space laws the rich people get passed so their views won't be ruined by all the little people moving in next door. I doubt that the border-jumping miscreants have anything to do with it.


216 posted on 12/10/2006 7:32:14 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (“Don’t overestimate the decency of the human race.” —H. L. Mencken)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

And all that will be left in California is rich, white liberals, ghetto punks, and unassimilable Mexicans...

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IOW unassimilable rich white liberals, but most of those rich white liberals, haven't thought that far ahead yet. They're too hysterical about George W Bush.


217 posted on 12/10/2006 7:33:20 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: sheana

I really don't know what to think of all these comments of relocating, good/bad states, etc. But I made my move out of Callyfornya as soon as I could, at 19 in 1979 to Northern AZ and it was a very wise move at the time. I saw the beginning of the Callyfornication of AZ, and maybe I was one of the first! There were alot of Eastern transplants too from PA, Michigan, Ohio but they were mostly temporary. When I left AZ for Hawaii, the Callyfornians were a steady stream and I was ready to "get the heck outta dodge!" NOW... the Callyfornians have made Hawaii their newfoundland and it is taking a toll on this island of Hawaii (Big Island). I have been here since 1992, now the traffic is awful, rural areas are being built up, house and lot prices have gone sky high. I bought my house 5 years ago(3BD/2BA/1 acre)for 115K,re-appraised 2 years ago at 260k. I hear alot of complaints from not just the "locals" but long-timers about the "demanding, pushy, know-it-all" mainlanders that have relocated here who have no aloha or the concept of aloha. I myself have been "road-raged" by a few "mainland license" plates for letting cars in front of me or letting them make a turn. So, just remember if any of you relocate here or come to visit, the aloha you see does not mean you can take advantage or that the people are "slow". They are well meaning and thoughtful, who respect others and want to be respected in return. My next move may be Guam or Saipan, aloha kakou.


218 posted on 12/10/2006 7:36:36 PM PST by BigIsleGal
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To: devane617

I'd say you're right. As a girl who was born in Texas (Amarillo) and still have family living among the "rednecks" I found it very insulting to all Texan's and SOutherners in general.


219 posted on 12/10/2006 7:39:09 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: goldstategop

I think your words will be very prophetic one of these days.


220 posted on 12/10/2006 7:40:18 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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