Posted on 12/08/2006 8:31:16 PM PST by rakovskii
Yes it would. And your point?
Just to chime in, I think you express well the point that seems to escape Central Scrutiniser.
Perhaps you can show me where I stated otherwise.
A flippent comment was made about the 30s and 40s being so bad, and I reminded her that there was an aspect of that era that wasn't very bad at all.
Bestiality had no relevance on this issue, no more so than a building code, therefore it is moot.
The Haggard example is relevant, Ted Haggard is gay, Ted Haggard spent his life preaching against gays and attempting to lead a "normal" life by marrying and having kids.
Haggard has done more harm to his spouse and his kids (in my opinion) than the typical gay couple that adopts or has kids.
So, prove to me that bestiality has a place in this argument, I'm waiting, I want some hard data.
And please, tell me how conservatives can push a gay parenting ban? How? Are you as a less is better conservative asking for more government intervention? Do you want a constitutional amendment?
You might just be able to get away with that in Iran or Saudia Arabia, but not here.
That can be said about the majority of eras in American (and world) history.
I would agree...
It has some relevance to the adoption issue. It has some relevance to whether a gay couple can have a child via a surrogate egg donor, and surrogate female (now someone else for obvious reasons) to serve as the womb. That is the subject of the law arena. All of it is totally legal in California, and in that one respect at least, my state has it right. But I need and will get around to trying to find some data. None of that has so far appeared on this thread. This thread needs completion.
I suspect that many on the extremes have a great deal of fear and that that fear sometimes has its way and their common sense can be diminished or lost.
The United States of America is NOT a country that promotes social engineering either from the left or the right. And, like it or not, homosexuals have children and will continue to.
My sister, a single mom, is one loving parent raising a kid. And she is doing a good job if I do say so myself.
Disagree. God does allow free will, we're free to do with that will what we like, and we'll be judged by Him on our decisions. Satan learned right away what happens when you reject Him.
The point is that you fall into a trap when you romanticize the "good old days"
I prefer to think that, as a society, we are moving forward.
But, if you want to live in the good old days, go ahead, do so at your peril. Attitudes and norms change, if you don't believe that, go to the beach, you'd be hard pressed to find many women out there covered neck to ankles in a swimsuit.
Any conservative advocating a gay parenting ban, or any reproductive right ban, is NOT a conservative. In fact, a bill was introduced in either Maryland or Virginia (can't remember) that only married, straight couples, be allowed to seek assisted reproductive technologies, including the use of sperm donors. That should scare every single conservative to their core.
Sadly, many heterosexual parents have been/are lousy parents.
For the length and breadth of recorded time, children have grown up, and either turned out well; or not.
No matter HOW you want to twist the words of the DoI, nowhere in that wondrous document, does it claim, by any stretch of the imagination, that children have a GOD given or any other kind of given right to a mother and a father. And FYI.....Jefferson wanted it to read PROPERTY, not HAPPINESS. And since slavery was still part of the law of the land, some of those glorious words did NOT apply to everyone.
BTW, I never said that until Victorian times, all children's lives were horrific; though that was more true than you realize, for some. And the newly invented CHILDHOOD of the mid 1800s and early 1900s, only applied to some; not all and not even most children of that era.
The United States doesn't promote social engineering? Oh is that right? LMAO
Look, we limit personal behaviors across the board based on societal concerns.
Well, except the 80s. ;) WAIT! Reagan and Maggie were good.
It usually takes the form of finding victims without a voice.
That dialectic says, "The destruction of the earth is too important to wait for scientific proof." "Global warming is too critical for you to demand scientific proof." "Trees are too important to cut down. Prove otherwise." "Kangaroo rats living in your backyard are bruinbirdman specific rats. There, we created a new species, you can't be rid of them. Forget that there are only a billion of them in the desert, that one is living on a lawn."
Dialectic of negative criticism says "prove that it is better to have a mommy and a daddy" when no one has thought that a necessity for thousands of years.
Children should be taught in school how to challenge authority..
It picks moral obviates, advocates the opposite, and asks for proof that the opposite is destructive.
In the meantime, the Cultural Destructionists through the tool of linguistic stigma demand tolerance of anti-social, anti-cultural behavior.
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