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Citizenship Uncertain For Baby Born On Plane
WFRV.COM ^ | 08 DECEMBER 2006 | AP

Posted on 12/08/2006 3:20:30 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist

Baby Girl Was Born On Flight From Mexico To Chicago

(CBS) CHICAGO -- Immigration officials say it remains to be seen whether a baby girl born aboard a plane just before it landed in Chicago will be a U.S. or Mexican citizen.

Maria Elena Garcia-Upson is a spokeswoman for U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. She says a child born in airspace over U.S. territory is eligible for citizenship.

But the parents have to file an application, and then officials have to investigate whether the child was born in Mexican airspace or international waters, Garcia-Upson said.

A 42-year-old woman gave birth to the 7-pound, 8-ounce girl late Wednesday night on a Mexicana Airlines flight from Guadalajara, Mexico.

An obstetrician traveling on the plane helped with the birth about an hour before the plane touched down.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigrantlist
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To: He Rides A White Horse
implied no such thing; however I dont choose a hyphenatedname as everybody else seems to want to.

So tell me again, what's the problem with Maria Elena Garcia-Upson's name?

121 posted on 12/10/2006 3:33:17 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: raybbr
That has been proven wrong many times over.

In which court has it been proven wrong? Just because some guy on the net (like maybe you) says it proven wrong, doesn't make it so. Show me where it's been proven wrong where it matters.

122 posted on 12/10/2006 3:48:25 PM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Myrddin
Aircraft and ships are sovereign territory of the country in which they are registered. The interior of the aircraft is "Mexican soil". The mother and child are Mexican citizens. A U.S. citizen mother would have a U.S. citizen child, but it would not be considered "native born" and would not be eligible to run for President.

Completely incorrect.

123 posted on 12/10/2006 3:50:36 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu; Myrddin

No. It's a fairly common myth that sailing ships are in essence floating native soil as well, and while it's slightly more complicated, it's likewise not true.


124 posted on 12/10/2006 3:51:40 PM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Alter Kaker
So some ICS spokesperson named "Maria" is a fox guarding a hen house? You know this... how?

Sweetie, I didn't say it. I merely said that was how I took the poster's comments. You chose to take them as 'racist'. Just pointing out they could be taken differently.

You can untwist your panties now.

125 posted on 12/10/2006 3:56:23 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
What if a crime had been committed on the plane? Would the jurisdiction be Mexico or the U.S.?

Puzzle solved, she's a friggin ILLEGAL and so is the anchor baby.

126 posted on 12/10/2006 4:01:19 PM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: unixfox

It would depend on where the crime was committed. If in U.S. airspace, the USA would have jurisdiction, if the crime were committed over Canada, Canada would have jurisdiction. Airliners roll up the drink trays over dry countries too.


127 posted on 12/10/2006 4:09:13 PM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: unixfox
Puzzle solved, she's a friggin ILLEGAL and so is the anchor baby.

Since she was on a plane, I have $50 that says she had a passport, and is therefore not illegal. You guys are getting so rabid you don't even know what illegal means anymore.

128 posted on 12/10/2006 4:10:25 PM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: unixfox
What if a crime had been committed on the plane? Would the jurisdiction be Mexico or the U.S.?

The jurisdiction would be the United States, if the crime was committed while in United States airpsace.

Puzzle solved, she's a friggin ILLEGAL and so is the anchor baby.

What makes you think she's an illegal alien? Nothing in the article suggests anything of the sort.

129 posted on 12/10/2006 4:17:11 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: MEGoody
Sweetie, I didn't say it. I merely said that was how I took the poster's comments. You chose to take them as 'racist'.

I don't see how that isn't racist, sorry. Again, I've been awaiting an explanation. But the poster appears to be saying that Hispanics are disloyal and that therefore jobs in the Department of Immigration and Citizenship Services should be whites only.

130 posted on 12/10/2006 4:19:25 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: unixfox
Puzzle solved, she's a friggin ILLEGAL and so is the anchor baby.

Illegals don't travel by plane to visit their inlaws in Milwaukee.

131 posted on 12/10/2006 4:22:13 PM PST by Not A Snowbird (Goodbye, Tomas. Sleep well. (? 1994-Dec 6, 2006))
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To: Alter Kaker
I don't see how that isn't racist, sorry.

Perhaps not. But as I've shown, others may have a different take on what was said.

Again, I've been awaiting an explanation.

The explanation you seek is in post 111.

132 posted on 12/10/2006 4:36:27 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: He Rides A White Horse
>i>So tell me again, what's the problem with Maria Elena Garcia-Upson's name?

Nothing at all.....until it beomes the hyphenated, a deliniting term for the United Staes.

133 posted on 12/10/2006 4:38:57 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: SandyInSeattle
"Illegals don't travel by plane to visit their inlaws in Milwaukee."

I think it's pretty safe to conclude she was visiting her "in-laws" with one single purpose, to drop her anchor baby..

And yes, when Hispanics fly into our country..it's actually the easiest, safest and most preferred way they can become "illegal". They simply "overstay" their visas..

sw

134 posted on 12/10/2006 4:47:05 PM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Nothing at all.....until it beomes the hyphenated, a deliniting term for the United Staes.

What the hell are you talking about? This is some random spokesperson for the ICE, about whom you know absolutely nothing other than she has a US Citizen with a Hispanic name. Yet you are objecting to her for some reason.

135 posted on 12/10/2006 5:02:00 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: spectre

Who are we to decide someone's motivation based on a few paragraphs in a newspaper? We know nothing about her, or her husband, or her inlaws. We also don't know how far along she was. Perhaps the baby was on time, perhaps it was premature.

If she has inlaws in Milwaukee, then she has family here who could sponsor her if she chose to move here. She doesn't need to risk her baby's health by getting on an airplane.

This time of year it's perfectly normal for people to fly to visit family. I'm not going to assume she has an ulterior motive just because she's Mexican. I also take issue with some of the comments accusing her of being illegal. I think it's apparent that she's not.


136 posted on 12/10/2006 5:08:55 PM PST by Not A Snowbird (Goodbye, Tomas. Sleep well. (? 1994-Dec 6, 2006))
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To: 1rudeboy; SmoothTalker; Extremely Extreme Extremist; COEXERJ145; microgood; liberallarry; cmsgop; ..
As for a commercial air carrier being the sovereign territory of its home country, that's simply false. A Mexican Air Force C-130, maybe.

You are absolutely wrong. Mexicana is a "flag carrier" for Mexico. It is every bit as soveriegn as a private flagged ship.

137 posted on 12/11/2006 12:28:08 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Karl Rove isn't magnificent.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
You are absolutely correct.

Under International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) regulations, of which Mexico and the US are signatories of course, the aircraft was Mexican "territory" even if it had already landed.

This woman was just 20 minutes shy of dropping her anchor baby where she wanted to.

Since the US has no fortitude, the mother and child will stay and soon be collecting thousands of dollars of your property tax money.

138 posted on 12/11/2006 3:42:33 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Paleo Conservative
False again. A military aircraft or ship is considered to be sovereign territory. A commercial aircraft or vessel is subject to the jurisdiction of whatever country it is passing through or over.

Think about it. What is this story truly about, then? Paleo, I know you keep the aviation ping list. Are you a pilot? From a pilot's perspective, a pilot of a U.S. flag carrier is most likely expected to enforce his or her version of U.S. law onboard (one couldn't expect otherwise). But in the eyes of the law, that does not make the carrier sovereign territory.

139 posted on 12/11/2006 3:49:28 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: SkyPilot

Think about it. If this woman murders someone (Let's make him a U.S. citizen) while the aircraft is on final approach to Dallas, and is taken into custody at the gate, did she commit murder in the U.S. or Mexico? Does the Dallas D.A. simply say, "Can't do anything about it. Let's get coffee?"


140 posted on 12/11/2006 3:54:27 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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