First, the Jews; Now Gibson Angers the Maya

IMDB.com ^ | 7 December 2006

[Bernard Marx]

All the killing was about protein. They ate the victims because there weren't any large animals to provide the needed protein.

You usually research things pretty well. What do you base that statement on? I've studied the Maya a lot and have never heard such a thing.

[the808bass]

I've had Mayan tourist guides at both Tulum and Chitzen Itza describe the culture apologetically, and I don't need an apology.

Ditto. I remember standing in front of the large sacrificial table at Chichen Itza with skulls engraved all the way around the table while the guide tried to say that maybe 20 or 30 people were sacrificed. Total.

[padre35]

Vikings could be savages, too, but I'm not offended by that fact. People need to get a life.

But but you are supposed to feel guilty because 700 hundred years ago...

silly isn't it?

[blam]

"You usually research things pretty well. What do you base that statement on? I've studied the Maya a lot and have never heard such a thing."

It was a belief of anthropologist Marvin Harris.(Bless his soul)
He said there was a whole heirachy of butchers and processors and that selected parts went to the elites and all other parts were distributed to the lower ranking, etc.

[dfwgator]

So are you saying that the Mayans were the original proponents of the Atkins Diet?

[blam]

I believe it was stated in this book: Cannibals And Kings

[kenth]

I remember reading years ago about 1 mayan king that sacrificed 8000 innocents in 1 year to dedicate a single temple. They were precursors to TROP!!

We still sacrifice over a million+ to the abortion temple each year. Savagery is in the eye of the beholder.

[Bernard Marx]

All due respect, but that book is 30 years out of date and was probably based on much earlier thinking. That 30 years encompassed the biggest surge ever in Mesoamerican archaeology, including the ability to read most of the Mayan pictographs.

Mayan culture probably collapsed as a result of incessant inter-city warfare combined with a long period of severe drought, according to modern sources. While they certainly performed plenty of bloody sacrifices they were for religious purposes, mainly related to rainfall and crop fertility. The majority of the victims were prisoners of war, often aristocrats from opposing cities. Any cannibalism I know of involved prisoners and was strictly ritualistic.

Considering the non-cannibalistic excesses of the Roman circus and the persecution of Christians and many others, it's hard for me to vioew the Maya as much more barbarous.

[dennisw]

Isn't the savage Chavez a Mayan descendant?

Hugo Chavez is mostly Indian with some Black blood and white blood. What kind of Indian I don't know.

[dennisw]

Isn't the savage Chavez a Mayan descendant?

Hugo Chavez is mostly Indian with some Black blood and white blood. What kind of Indian I don't know.

[dennisw]

To the sputtering fury of a Bush administration who has repeatedly conspired with Venezuela's elite to drive Hugo Chavez from power, the Black Indian President of this oil-rich nation has scored a decisive 59% victory over a recall effort. Chavez now sits more comfortably than ever atop a fourth of the world oil supplies -- equal to that of Iraq -- and he supplies a fifth of US oil needs. In addition, he is current leader of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, or OPEC. George W. Bush would prefer his friends in Saudi Arabia rather than Chavez set global oil prices. US attacks on Chavez caricature him as a tyrant in the class of Saddam Hussein, or a Marxist, or a ferociously anti-American clone of Castro. Actually, his populist uprising springs from multicultural grass roots that pre-date the foreign invasion of the Americas that began in 1492.

Like four-fifths of Venezuelans, Chavez was born of poor Black and Indian parents. Since the days of Columbus descendants of the Spanish conquistadores have supplied the governing classes of the Americas, and have denied indiginous people a say in their future. Chavez represents a strong challenge.

Chavez is not only proud of his biracial legacy, but........

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:Nd5DEG77OIsJ:www.counterpunch.org/katz08242004.html+%22Hugo+Chavez%22+indian&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

 

[dennisw]

I remember reading years ago about 1 mayan king that sacrificed 8000 innocents in 1 year to dedicate a single temple. They were precursors to TROP!!

That was the Aztecs. 
The Aztecs engaged in lots more human sacrifice than the Mayans. I haven't seen Apocalypto but it seems to me Mel Gibson jammed Aztec human sacrifice into a movie about Mayans and their savagery. Rush Limbaugh liked the movie so I just may see it

[BIGLOOK]

"The cocoliztli epidemic from 1576 to 1578 cocoliztli epidemic killed an additional 2 to 2.5 million people, or about 50% of the remaining native population."

Not to mention the sacrifices to ward off the pestilence.

[dennisw]

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:dAgkGtl73VgJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice_in_Aztec_culture+mayans+aztecs+human+sacrifice&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

[mrmargaritaville]

No-actually live in Ohio-digging out from about 3" of snow today. I find Miller's commercials good but their beer bad-I prefer a nice Porter or Yinglings Black and Tan.

[bboop]

They were barbarians. You can rewrite history all you want, but it doesn't change history.

[Bernard Marx]

They were barbarians.

Why don't you define what you mean by "barbarian?"

[bboop]

no thanks.

[TruthWillWin]

That leaves as fair game only white males. Nothing that can be said about them will be criticized.

[cicero's_son]

Everybody knows the Maya run the world by proxy.