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To: capitalist229
Look at and compare the last leg up in real private residential investment to the others. I'd say we are in for both a steep and prolonged correction--GGG


19 posted on 12/07/2006 9:22:47 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts; capitalist229
Look at and compare the last leg up in real private residential investment to the others.

Yeah, just ignore the huge tax change that took place in 1997.

22 posted on 12/07/2006 9:30:46 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with EPI, you're not a conservative!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Looks like a steady trend to me with pullbacks that are progressively less severe.


27 posted on 12/07/2006 9:41:58 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: GodGunsGuts; expat_panama; Toddsterpatriot
Nice graph. Looks like all those valleys in the 70's, 80's and 90's came during times of high unemployment and recession. I don't see the doomers effectively making the case that we're in a time of recession or that unemployment is high -- or rapidly increasing -- unless you consider 3.5% annualized GDP growth and 4.4% unemployment proof of a recession. You'd also have to explain away the fact that corporate pre-tax profits are up 31% through the third quarter, real consumer spending is about 3 percent above the third-quarter average annual rate and the overall consumer price index has fallen to 1.3% over the past year. 30-year mortgages can still be had for 6% and projections show continued growth for our economy.

No, this time you say it's different because people are buying homes with mortgages they can't afford and once all those unaffordable mortgages catch up with them, doom will certainly befall us resulting in economic collapse. (and gold skyrocketing to $1,650 and ounce, or more!)

I realize that this information is only through 2004 and that in 2005 the use of adjustable-rate mortgages increased thereby increasing total mortgage debt. However, can the doomers here show us that these changes have affected the distribution of debt burdens and that this increase in adjustable rate mortgages will lead to economic collapse? Even though the use of adjustable-rate mortgages has increased, where is the proof that just because households have some of their property debt in adjustable-rate mortgages that they have high debt burdens, and can't adapt successfully to higher interest rates. The trends identified above would indicate that most consumers have a lot more money and sense than doomers here give them credit for.

As the chart below shows, the added debt from those loans has barely impacted our median property debt burden through 2004.

Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco

52 posted on 12/07/2006 11:24:20 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Very interesting chart. This rise since 1990 seems to be very gradual and is along the major trend. The other large falls were preceded by a VERY sharp increase - something we don't see at the moment.


60 posted on 12/07/2006 12:52:56 PM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
I'd say we are in for both a steep and prolonged correction

Want to see something scary ?

Look at the 80%+ correlation between the NAHB index and the S&P500 where the S&P500 lags the NAHB by twelve months. This uncanny correlation has held for the past ten years.

Then look at the precipitous 50% drop in the NAHB that started nine months ago...

I would NOT be in the stock market until the housing situation is sorted out.


BUMP

66 posted on 12/07/2006 1:51:41 PM PST by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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