[SMARTY]

That is the actual truth...we DID win and continue to win. The present violence is just a futile and gratuitous demonstration of their remaining power in the area by the punks who will be making trouble there or anywhere else they are permitted, no matter who takes charge of that country or when. They were there before and will be there when we leave. It was always Dodge City and it was only under control because Saddam the butcher had bigger and badder punks of his own to keep the lid on. These guys are just filling the power vacuum which was opened up when we removed Saddam from power. However, getting the flathead media types to admit it is not going to happen.

The orientals say that 'calling a thing by its right name is the beginning of wisdom'.

[Kozak]

Look, winning militarily, and winning the propaganda and political battle are different. We as a nation have demonstrated we don't have the will to fight, so we LOOSE the propaganda and political fight. And there will be hell to pay for this for decades. No one needs to take our threats seriously. I would be very afraid if I were an Ally depending on us right now.....