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To: blam
This is disgusting. "Pirate fishing boats?" So, who are the pirates here? "Australian naval boarding parties have been confronted by knives, machetes and sharpened bamboo poles." The peaceful owners of fishing boats defend themselves against, "boarding parties," and they are called the pirates? Sorry, the pirates are the government thugs who initiate the force.

Hank

16 posted on 12/06/2006 7:22:44 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief
That might carry some water if they were Australian fishermen but they're Indonesian fishermen dude; invaders, violators of national sovereignity...
20 posted on 12/06/2006 7:30:22 PM PST by Axenolith (Got Au? Ag?)
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To: Hank Kerchief

I can't agree with you in this specific instance Hank. Whether or not the concept of national sovereignty is correct, the fact is that at the moment all nations are deemed to be sovereign in that they should not be invaded by other nation states (which is why the war in Iraq is so wrong). Nations with surrounding waters have, by International agreement, a swathe of that water as part of their nation, largely for self protection. Otherwise, at what point can one stop Indonesion incursion? If Indonesions actually landed on Australian soil and started making off with farm produce - cattle for example of which there are thousands in these areas - would you agree that the Australian forces had a right to engage them and stop them? The Indonesians are doing exactly that, as the water for - I think from memory 12 miles - around Australian shores are actually considered a part of Australia.
So these people can fish out their own waters then come and fish out everyone elses? And then land and start stealing cattle?
Australia has tried every reasonable tactic, from repeated representations to the Indonesion Government, to "shooing" these people off, to boarding their boats to tell them they are violating another country, and have met with no success.
Also, a thing not mentioned in mainstream media is the degree of piracy in these waters. These "fishermen" have attacked unarmed civilian boats, both private and commercial, in Australian waters.
If a government can have a moral right, it is to protect those who pay taxes to be protected. In this instance, I'm afraid I agree with actions of the Australian government as long as they restrict it to the Australian International sovereign waters area.


29 posted on 12/06/2006 8:30:33 PM PST by weatherwax (Nae King; nae Quin; nae Laird; we will nae be fooled again.)
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To: Hank Kerchief
I have no problem with a government defending its own territory and its own natural resources. Indonesia has no rights to Australian fisheries.
41 posted on 12/06/2006 9:06:02 PM PST by SmoothTalker
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