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What's Wrong With RomneyCare?
Human Events ^ | 12/5/06 | Liz Mair

Posted on 12/05/2006 8:39:22 PM PST by freespirited

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Maybe this helps explain why Human Events named Romney one of the 10 Biggest RINOs a while back?
1 posted on 12/05/2006 8:39:25 PM PST by freespirited
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To: freespirited

And yet, for some unfathomable reason, too many on this forum think that Romney would actually be a GOOD presidential candidate. This is all the reason I need to refuse to support him under any circumstances.


2 posted on 12/05/2006 8:46:15 PM PST by MainFrame65
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To: freespirited

I don't like the mandated aspect here either but who's bright idea was it that hospitals are supposed to provide "free" care anyway? That cost gets passed on to someone else. Does mandating insurance make people more responsible for health care instead of the providers themselves or the state?

Oh, and what was the alternative on the table? Human Events has written a hugely slanted article against Romney but they don't give his side of it either.


3 posted on 12/05/2006 8:46:44 PM PST by misterrob (Jack Bauer/Chuck Norris 2008)
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Well, President Rodamn will fix this


4 posted on 12/05/2006 8:50:47 PM PST by bybybill (`IF TH E RATS WIN, WE LOSE)
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To: freespirited

I'm not ready to give him the RINO label yet. He has to contend with the MA legislature, and do things his way before they do things their way. In MA, I've met countless people who work but get state sponsored health care. (i.e they work in cash based businesses such as restaurants and get paid in tips and presumably underreport). Their healthcare is already paid for by others - Romney's plan makes them pay a bigger chunk (hopefully).

I disagree with the analogy of comparing mandatory health insurance with mandatory car insurance though. One can decide to not have a car.


5 posted on 12/05/2006 8:53:16 PM PST by posterchild (Spent some money on women and beer, the rest was just wasted.)
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To: freespirited
A lot of people love to sing the praises of Mitt Romney. When questioned about his absurd RINO tendencies, they love to point out the fact that he's in Massachusetts and "has to do with what he has (as they like to say). The problem is that we don't live in the United States of Massachusetts. You are what you are. Ronald Reagan was Ronald Reagan in California. So I don't buy the whole "he's a victim of where he lives" argument. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly on a national scale, he's a Mormon which is seen by most as a member of a kook cult.
6 posted on 12/05/2006 8:55:01 PM PST by Jaysun (Let's not ruin this moment with words.)
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To: freespirited
Yet, as the Wall Street Journal’s “RomneyCare” op-ed notes, the cost of covering the care of uninsured patients is low, and uses a very small proportion of governmental medical budgets. Plus, the uninsured that benefit from emergency-room treatment can always be pursued as debtors, just like people who default on loans.

Is there anyone with a double-digit IQ who believes this?

7 posted on 12/05/2006 8:56:53 PM PST by speekinout
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To: misterrob
It is called involuntary servitude. Slavery for short. We had a war against, but that was a long time ago.
8 posted on 12/05/2006 9:05:56 PM PST by Leisler
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I never see people question the basic assumptions behind the idea that this is a problem that government should solve. So I end up being cynical thinking that is is really just a subsidy of the health care and insurance industries.


9 posted on 12/05/2006 9:10:00 PM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: speekinout

I didn't see the WSJ op-ed but I'll hazard a guess that this was poorly worded, and that what the author meant was that the cost of the currently uninsured in the state is low *relative* to the rest of the population.

The vast majority of health care expenses that an individual has over a lifetime are incurred in the last few years of life. For the majority of us, that means when we are on Medicare, so Romneycare is relieved of responsibility for these high-cost patients. Children are cheap to insure, so to the extent that they are overrepresented among the uninsured that keeps the relative cost of the uninsured low. Same for young adults.

If this is not what the author meant, I am with you, the comment makes no sense at all to me.


10 posted on 12/05/2006 9:12:15 PM PST by freespirited (The MSM is the root of all evil.)
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Think that health insurance is expensive now ?

Wait until it is 'free.'


11 posted on 12/05/2006 9:15:09 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: freespirited

I think this article is either misinformed or does not address a very complex issue.

Doesn' the State already directly or indirectly pick up the expenses for those who are not insured. All Romney did i thought was to transfer the responsibilty of the state to the individual, even though the state funds it. It seems to be the best outcome in a complex issue.


12 posted on 12/05/2006 9:17:20 PM PST by GregH
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What about regulations..? WSJ makes a VERY, Very, very good point about this...

Not only that but Romney-Hillary Care for Massachussets did not Needt to be Pursued by Romney..He coult have fought for deregualtion, and the Free Market especially where HMO's are concerned rather than pushing more govt. buracracy in a rather, (one of the Nation's most) regulated states..

Even if he was against the Legislature (albeit a hard pill on its own..) he coult have at least Fought for the Free-Market, rather than oppose! I will not be voting Romney 08'!


13 posted on 12/05/2006 9:20:12 PM PST by JSDude1 (www.pence08.com)
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To: misterrob
To this date I have not seen a signle person, man or woman, who meets Human Events' standard.

They're good at trashing everyone who might even think about running.

Eventually, they'll decide that it's best to punish the republican candidate and advise everyone to stay home and let the demonrat win.

14 posted on 12/05/2006 9:20:14 PM PST by OldFriend (FALLEN HERO JEFFREY TOCZYLOWSKI, REST IN PEACE)
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To: MainFrame65
And yet, for some unfathomable reason, too many on this forum think that Romney would actually be a GOOD presidential candidate.

I suspect that it is Romney's own people who fan those flames. Just on the face of it, a governor from Massachusetts is never going to be elected President. I mean, c'mon.... Massachusetts? LMAO!!

15 posted on 12/05/2006 9:32:52 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: freespirited
the cost of covering the care of uninsured patients is low, and uses a very small proportion of governmental medical budgets.

I thought illegal aliens were unissured and costing the US hundreds of billions of dollars.

16 posted on 12/05/2006 9:53:41 PM PST by staytrue
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To: Lancey Howard

We used to say the same thing about Arkansas.

"I mean, c'mon! Arkansas? LMAO!"


17 posted on 12/05/2006 10:11:32 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Despair is not a strategy.)
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To: freespirited
>>>> .... RomneyCare.... represents an interventionist, big government approach toward what is a highly personal matter, and does virtually nothing to reform burdensome insurance regulation that is responsible for the problem of underinsurance.

More big government Republicanism and endless social engineering.

18 posted on 12/05/2006 10:11:38 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: JSDude1

de-regulation of health insurance is not nessecarily a good thing. If it is de-regulated in Maryland, I could lose my insurance because I have a chronic ailment. I am not kidding. Because of state regulation I was able to force my insurer to pay for a nessecary operation that they tried to refuse me. It took many months, but finally I was able to get the needed operation despite the fact that it cut into the insurer's enormous profits.


19 posted on 12/05/2006 10:18:42 PM PST by ChurtleDawg (kill em all)
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Some of you geniuses should do a little fact-checking before coming to such stupid conclusions. The article is a bunch of BS. You cant get more slanted than this, if it was the NY Times. Do your damned homework, and stop being such kneejerk ninnies, believing every thing you read.


20 posted on 12/05/2006 10:18:57 PM PST by Pukin Dog (I will vote for Hillary Clinton for President, before I will vote for John McCain.)
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