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Dead Russian spy to be buried as a Muslim
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| December 4, 2006
| Philippe Naughton
Posted on 12/04/2006 8:50:44 AM PST by BMC1
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To: BMC1
WHAT?! Funny, he didn't look moo.
To: A. Pole
He wrote a book claiming the Russian government staged fake terrorist attacks on their own soil as a pretext for retaking the independent state of Chechnya. Why would the Chechen's not honor him after he was assassinated by an exotic poison ?
To: BMC1
The spy's father, Walter Litvinenko
Walter? That's a real Russian name.../s
To: BMC1
I hope he got a Vonage phone pack on his way out. Talk about stupid decisions.
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posted on
12/04/2006 2:35:16 PM PST
by
rabidralph
(Merry Christmas, y'all!)
To: A. Pole
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posted on
12/04/2006 2:35:39 PM PST
by
GSlob
To: GarySpFc
Interesting thread...there goes any former respect I had for this guy. Flushed down the toilet...but since this is Russia we're talking about here there proabaly won't be any toilet paper to go with it ;)
To: BMC1
Hmmm..on second thought, why is this news coming out AFTER he died? If he said he wanted to buried a Muslim shortly before he died on Nov. 23, why didn't they report it then? Why wait till 11 days later on Dec. 4?
Still though, if it's true, I've got no more respect for him.
To: G8 Diplomat
Why wait till 11 days later on Dec. 4? Because releasing this information earlier would spoil anti-Putin campaign. Now it is OK since general public formed the desired association and is not capable to change it.
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posted on
12/04/2006 3:22:18 PM PST
by
A. Pole
(spanalot: "the Kremlin has killed more Jews than Hitler")
To: A. Pole
Okay. Let me see if I understand the Russian position. The guy who wrote a book claiming that Putin had faked terrorist attacks on Russian soil as a pretext for war with Chechnya, was actually a liar and a closet Muslim so therefore it was okay to kill him with an exotic nuclear poison on foreign soil and contaminate more then a dozen sites with radiation. Now if he was helping Islamic terrorist, why not just shoot em in a dark alley ? So perhaps we are back to the, he was trying to help Islamists terrorist make a dirty bomb with this short range alpha emitter. If that was the case, the Russians should have just let Scotland Yard handle it.
To: BMC1
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posted on
12/04/2006 4:58:04 PM PST
by
genefromjersey
(So much to flame;so little time !)
To: justa-hairyape
If that was the case, the Russians should have just let Scotland Yard handle it. On British territory Scotland Yard already can do its work. In Russia Scotland Yard has to acquire proper permissions and work together with Russian police on the same conditions as Russian police would be allowed to operate in UK in analogical situation.
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posted on
12/04/2006 5:12:14 PM PST
by
A. Pole
(G.K. Chesterton: "Too much capitalism means not too many capitalists, but too few.")
To: A. Pole
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posted on
12/04/2006 5:13:21 PM PST
by
Silly
(Still being... Silly)
To: G8 Diplomat
The spy's father, Walter Litvinenko
Walter? That's a real Russian name.../s
Actually it is a Russian name. It's Valter, which is the short version for Vladimir.
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posted on
12/04/2006 5:16:36 PM PST
by
GarySpFc
To: BMC1
No problem.
Dig him up, blow him up, scrape him up, and bury him again. There, all is in keeping with his last wishes.
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posted on
12/04/2006 5:31:13 PM PST
by
Gator113
To: Mr. K
"Just in time for the 72 virgins!"
The lowest pit of Hell.
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posted on
12/04/2006 5:33:47 PM PST
by
ducdriver
("Impartiality is a pompous name for indifference, which is an elegant name for ignorance." GKC)
To: Thunder90
The West has to protect the peace with Russia and China at all costs, or else we lose any leverage we have over North Korea and Iran. I believe that the Muslim story was planted by someone.
Yes, that someone was Litvinenko's father, Valter Litvinenko.
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posted on
12/04/2006 6:41:23 PM PST
by
GarySpFc
To: A. Pole
You leave out that he was born into the Russian Orthodox Church and as a KGB agent, he came to know that his "spiritual" home was infested with KGB agents.
His deathbed wish for a Muslim burial was a last desperate act of defiance against the KGB.
The former spy adds that Putin aimed to turn the Orthodox Church abroad "into outposts of Russian state interests. Russian intelligence has penetrated the Orthodox Church and is utilising it for spying abroad."
Preobrazhensky, who plans to write about this phenomenon in his forthcoming book The KGB And The Russian Diaspora, points out that around a third of Russian Orthodox worshippers outside the borders of Russia are not native Russians but the children and grandchildren of immigrants. This, he says, gives the intelligence service a route to "ordinary" Britons and Americans who have no understanding of Russian life and are more vulnerable to exploitation.
"Westerners would think it unbelievable that a priest could be a spy - but in Russia is has been going on for almost 100 years," he adds. "Believe me - Russian Orthodox churches in the UK are infiltrated by Russian intelligence." The Sunday Herald contacted one Russian Orthodox church but the clergy there declined to comment on the allegations.
Preobrazhensky says that Russia's intelligence services had "dared" to kill Litvinenko as Putin "isn't afraid of the West at all. He believes they will never scold him as they think he is their friend". Preobrazhensky's words seemed to ring true last Friday when EU leaders met with Putin on the eve of an EU-Russia summit. Not one word was raised by Western leaders about the killing of Litvinenko. It was taken as an indication of just how dependent Europe now is on oil and gas-rich Russia.
"Russian intelligence is now very brave and bold," says Preobrazhensky. "In that way it differs from the old KGB as the KGB was afraid of condemnation from the West. Today, Russian intelligence is more like it was under Stalin - back then it ignored what the West felt and had no fear of the West."
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posted on
12/04/2006 6:46:42 PM PST
by
spanalot
To: spanalot
The Russian Orthodox Church has been a state organ since Stalin.
To: spanalot
That's why there is a lot of resistance among the old-timer (communist-fleeing) "out-of-Russia" Orthodox. There have been multiple attempts at full re-unification with the the "mother" church. "Old-timers" have been resisting the communist-infected "mother church", sometimes leading to the collapse or civil war within congregations. Happening all over US and Canada.
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posted on
12/04/2006 10:59:51 PM PST
by
lkco
To: BMC1
Sick ... what's up with this? Only Pooty gets to deal with Mulsims
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posted on
12/04/2006 11:02:03 PM PST
by
dennisw
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