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To: kellynla; Luis Gonzalez; Dane
Don't sweat it Kellynla, he blew off my two posts showing that illegals cost more than they produce by far in post 502.

Any true Conservative knows that the poor are the most costly segment of society by far and true Conservatives want to help those get less taxes and to up themselves to productive middle class Americans. Unfortunately being swamped by illegals has turned the tide to a flood that can not be helped long term.

Yes it is true that illegals are dumping money into the S.S. failing system. A system that both RINO's and dims are afraid to touch. Luis goes full force with blinders on, ignoring Justice Dept figures and other negative truths. The fact of the matter is even with S.S. getting boosts, it is failing and using illegals to prop it up a few more years is just like using slave labor, except cost wise (with government programs) this ain't slave labor, it is durn costly labor.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/27/114208.shtml

Prison and Welfare facts are not gonna be touched by Luis and his likes. Facts like illegals drive so bad that they are just nearly as dangerous as drunk drivers. Facts like illegals jumping out of their cars after an accident and running instead of being forced to answer to their deeds will be ignored. Facts like "Once [illegals] get here, they are 50 percent more likely to be on welfare than citizens." do not seem to phase them.

Something is not right... the Luis and Dane's have figured a way to harness that illegal in some way that profits them beyond the tax burden's placed on society. I am curious, but this is just an chat forum (durn good one) and they do liven the forum up with their views.

547 posted on 12/04/2006 8:40:30 PM PST by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" - Benjamin Rush)
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To: LowOiL

You post numbers made up by people who base their conclusions on the numbers of illegal aliens in the country, when that number is not know.

It's estimated, but it isn't known.

There are studies that support conclusions that are diametrically opposed, and they are both researched.

What's known is this...in spite of the doom and gloom, the American economy is in great shape.

So, if nothing else is clear, tat factor is.


553 posted on 12/04/2006 8:58:15 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: LowOiL
The oldest baby boomers turned 60 this year...79 million people were born in the US between 1946 and 1964. Those who are still alive are staring to retire, and because of advances in the field of medicine, they'll live longer than any generation before them.

We've murdered 30 million plus babies in the name of "choice" since 1970, and while our fertility rate is slightly higher than during the mid to late 1990's, we are still below replacement rate.

In a recent update of estimates prepared for the panel, Ronald Lee and Timothy Miller found that each additional immigrant with characteristics (such as age, education, and family size) typical of recent immigrants has a “net present value” of $46,000. That is, a new immigrant’s impact over the next 75 years is expected to be equivalent to a one-time investment of $46,000. But Lee and Miller estimate that the country would need to admit an additional 5 million immigrants per year, quintupling the current level of immigration, in order to achieve long-term balance in the Social Security trust fund. A recent report from the United Nations Population Division reached a similar conclusion for European countries, announcing that even much larger migration flows than are currently permitted would not counterbalance the effects of population aging.

To maintain the 2000 ratio between the working-age population (people between the ages of 20 and 64) and the older population (people ages 65 and older), the United States would need roughly 95 million more working-age persons in 2025, in addition to those already expected at current levels of immigration. In other words, if the entire working-age population of Mexico were to move to the United States in 2025, there still would not be enough people to restore the old-age dependency ratio of 2000. -- Source

These are real figures, unclouded by demagoguery and hyperbole.

If the costs associated with illegal aliens were indeed as catastrophic as everyone seems to be claiming that they are, and considering the fact that this problem has been ongoing for two decades now, we would have been bankrupt as a country by now as a result of it., but instead, we're thriving.

558 posted on 12/04/2006 9:16:19 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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