Posted on 12/03/2006 6:43:56 PM PST by Lorianne
No, no, no. You have it all wrong. The mission and objective changed once the first phase was complete. Now it is all about purple fingers and doing right by the 24,700,000 that might not want to kill us today. See, we will install a Shiite Hezbullah led government and they will not exterminate every Sunni that they can get their hands on. If they fight amongst themselves, we will simply send in more combat troops with new rules of engagement. Stay the course!
Twelve million purple-fingered Iraqis were not forced to vote. They did, in spite of the threats to their life, because they want democracy. It was not forced on them.
Voting is not all there is to democracy.
Once again, twelve million Iraqis voted, in spite of the threats to their life, because they want democracy. It was not forced on them
So? Wanting and having are two different things. Maybe they do not understand that democracy is more than just a vote.
Not historically accurate, unless you're willing to argue that Japan is not democratic. Of course, MacArthur literally altered the theological landscape of Japanese religion before imposing democracy. To impose democracy in the muslim world, a theological reconstruction may also be a pre-requisite.
My son is recently back from Iraq, and spent a lot of time with Iraqis. He says what these people need most of all is "a different religion." They are slaves to the thugs and gangsters, who thrive in an Islamic environment, easily bending Allah to speak their will.
We should have listened to Ann Coulter when she said what we need to do is go in and convert them all to Christianity.
They understand that Saddam Hussein was a murderous thug, and they are glad to be rid of him. And they understand that it is their duty, in the face of threats, to participate in democracy.
They are not standing by their elected government.
Good Americans don't always stand by their elected government. And good Americans don't undermine their country when it is at war. No matter where an American stood at the beginning of war, once it is started, every good American stands for victory and nothing less. Any one who stands otherwise is a contemptible scalawag.
What do you think of this guy's article?
The Iraqis are not passive recipients of this political largesse, they have paid dearly for it. It is an incredibly difficult challenge given the autocratic antecedents of the country, the tribal grass-roots organization, and the broad and vicious historical oppression of Kurd and Shi'a by Sunni. It's impossible, absurd - I can certainly understand why so many very knowledgable people find it unlikely.
But it hasn't failed yet. And if it doesn't it won't be because the U.S. gave anything to anybody, it will be because the Iraqis earned it. There is no other route to freedom, there is no other route to democracy. IMHO.
The article is crap.
Well said. I hope you are right.
Why, exactly?
Kinda like WWII. Japan and Germany.
Interventions? I do believe those countries either attacked us first (Japan) or declared war on us first (Germany and Italy). Those were not interventions.
Germany and Italy were western countries with some fairly recent experience with representative government. Japan had no such experience at all, and they revered their previous head of state as a God, something even the Muslims do not do, they don't even consider their religious leaders to be Gods.
If it can work in Japan, it can work in a Muslim country.
Of course we might have to pound then all into rubble first, as we had to with Germany and Japan, (The Italians were not really fighters, just lovers, and took the hint as early as they could)
Our founding fathers knew enough to want to stay as far from "democracy" as they could. They ham stringed the government, and only with the increasing "democratization" of that government, has our freedom been compromised significantly.
This article asserts that the war in Iraq cannot be won due to the Islamic rejection of democracy. Screw the Islamic extremists. They are our enemy, and they are the enemy of Iraq, and they are going to lose.
Millions of Iraqis who participated in democracy are muslim. The same occurs in Turkey. This idiotic notion that muslims are incapable of living in democracy is crap.
Turkey has been doing it since Mustafa Kamal. The only people that think Iraq cannot have democracy are those who believe the only Islam is extremist Islam. Islamic radicals are the enemy of the United States, and they are the enemy of Iraq.
Such are the terrorists who plant IEDs and car bombs. The good people who live in the Middle East, particularly in Iraq, will eventually reject the terrorists. That is, unless we abandon them, which we must not do.
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