[cyborg]

I'm NOT talking about people who are sick through no fault of their own. I'm talking about people who are willfully contributing to their own demise. You can't treat someone who does not want to be treated. It's a waste of time and energy to try to help someone who does not want to be helped. I don't know what's so hard to understand about this.

[berdie]

If I had the education and dedication...I really don't think it would matter how or why they were ill. But that's just my view of the nature of humanity.

Most people want to be helped, in spite of their vices, "do not ask for the bell tolls..it may toll for thee".