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To: YankeeGirl

60 Minutes did a show on 'art' a few years back. They had all these weirdo 'artists' showing what they considered 'art' and people who were considered 'artists'. One 'art' object was a toilet seat within a picture frame. Many others, including a painting by an elephant, were just as insane. Anyways, when Leslie Stall asked them if Norman Rockwell was accepted in their circle as an 'artist', all agreed that he was not, just merely an 'illustrator'.


8 posted on 12/01/2006 8:36:38 AM PST by moonman (`)
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To: moonman

I happen to think elephant art, and some of the other animal art, is exactly that:art. Studies of these particular animal artists seems to show that they are genuinely trying to express some idea, rather than futzing around with a brush their keeper handed them. Human-generated "art" that looks like the stuff the animals do, on the other hand, is just scribbling. Art is (loosely) defined as sophisticated skill or that which is produced by sophisticated skill. Renaissance and Romantic paintings would qualify, as would most classical and romantic sculpture.


16 posted on 12/01/2006 9:41:06 AM PST by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: moonman

John Alan Maxwell is my favorite American illustrator.
He was my father.


19 posted on 12/01/2006 10:00:10 AM PST by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: moonman
The elephant shit "artists" have no talent, except for being political hacks aspiring to guru status in the art world, and will put down any genuine talent such as Rockwell. There is more talent in Rockwell's little finger than the lot of them combined. These hacks would strangle true genius in a mud puddle for fear of bowing to it. The "art" world is a pot of serpents licking each others boots and good artists such as Rockwell will have nothing to do with any of that.
29 posted on 12/01/2006 10:59:23 AM PST by Blind Eye Jones
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To: moonman
Anyways, when Leslie Stall asked them if Norman Rockwell was accepted in their circle as an 'artist', all agreed that he was not, just merely an 'illustrator'.

Rockwell, himself, a really non-egotistical person, called himself an illustrator = but as any of you know who have ever stood in front of one of his paintings, he was a 'fine artist' - In addition, he did some private - non-illustration - paintings that I have never seen printed. They could hang on the wall with the best of the Masters.

(The boy on the running board is one of his sons)

74 posted on 12/01/2006 11:44:44 PM PST by maine-iac7 ( "...but you can't fool all of the people all the time." LINCOLN)
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To: moonman

"One 'art' object was a toilet seat within a picture frame."

This reminds me of a photo I took when in Vienna, Austria, about 20 years ago. We were in Sigmund Freud's office, where he practiced his shrinkness, and I had to go to the bathroom. I asked one of the clerks there where it was, went in to take care of business and noticed how old everything in there was (clean, but old). Also very quaint, as bathrooms go. When I went out, I asked the lady if this was the same toilet that Freud himself had used. She said yes, so I went back in, took a picture of the pot and when I got home, I was going to blow the picture up to an 8 by 10, caption it with "Freud Sat Here", frame it, and hang it. I guess I too would have had a "toilet picture", LOL! Unfortunately, I couldn't find the roll of film when I got home (don't know why), so it never got hung. I figure it would have made quite a conversation piece. C'est la vie.


76 posted on 12/02/2006 6:33:27 PM PST by flaglady47 (thinking out loud)
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To: moonman

Art Renewal Center ping.

http://www.artrenewal.org/


79 posted on 12/02/2006 8:09:08 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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