Iraq Surrender Group?

Investors Business Daily ^ | Nov. 30, 2006 | IBD

[FairOpinion]

Iraq: A panel notable for its total absence of military expertise is set to recommend "redeploying" U.S. forces in Iraq. Someone ought to remind James Baker that George W. Bush is commander in chief and he isn't.

'According to people familiar with the panel's deliberations," reports the New York Times, the Iraq Study Group, composed of such great military minds as former Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor and Clinton political operative Vernon Jordan, agreed Wednesday on recommending to President Bush a gradual pullout of the 15 American combat brigades now in Iraq beginning next year.

The ISG panel also will recommend "direct engagement" with Iran and Syria as partners in an enhanced Middle East peace process. We doubt, however, that the ISG will suggest that such talks begin with asking the Syrians why they keep assassinating Lebanese political leaders, why Iran is building a nuclear weapon to nuke Israel and why both are still arming Hezbollah.

Ironically, this comes on the heels of another New York Times report that "a senior American intelligence official" says that 1,000 to 2,000 fighters in Muqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi army were trained by Hezbollah in Lebanon. A number of Hezbollah operatives also are said to have entered Iraq to do training on-site.

Here we are at war, and the ISG is preparing the terms of our surrender. This is the 1930s all over again, and rather than confront Hitler in the Rhineland, the commission — in its quest for peace in our time — is proposing that Iraq be another Czechoslovakia.

As Churchill once observed, they propose feeding the crocodile, hoping it will eat us last.

[FairOpinion]

"Here we are at war, and the ISG is preparing the terms of our surrender."

[Historix]

We need to let the war effort be handled by experienced warfighters, not blue-ribbon panels chosen for political reasons.

[2ThumbsUp]

http://usawakeup.org/ In WWII Hitler's leadership convinced the Neutral German People to kill 6,000,000 Jews, kill 6,000,000 Christians, and kill 7,000 Polish people. His leadership convinced the Neutral German People the Jews were responsible for Germany's economic problems. If Hitler could create such carnage with his leadership, just imagine what Osama bin Laden's leadership can do with 23% of the entire world's population of Neutral Muslims, armed with human bombers and 21st Century Chemical ,Biological and Nuclear Weapons. The root of Bin Laden's leadership is based upon the entire Moslem religion being totally dysfunctional, by any standard of modern culture. Consequently, the dysfunctional fringe can be recruited as terrorist bombers to resolve their 1,400 years of shackled freedom. Now, if there is a worldwide Economic collapse – which is highly probable - rendering the disenfranchised Muslims becoming even more isolated and culturally deprived, Bin Laden will have an even more willing Neutral Muslim population to recruit new bombers to help destroy Western Civilization. And for icing on the cake, hundreds of millions of dollars of Middle East oil money will continue to fund the terrorists who are recruited. This means that large sums of money will continue to go to the families of martyred terrorists, thereby facilitating family approval of this inhuman cultural cancer. “If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.” Winston Churchill -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- INSIGHT From The Colonel IMAGINE; America is a benevolent culture. How can we inform the American people that the hundreds of thousands of deaths occurring in the Mid-East is the equivalent by our terrorist enemy, to our WWII STRATEGY TO BREAK [ by different means] THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE, I REPEAT, IS THE EQUIVALENT OF THE CARPET BOMBING OF GERMANY AND JAPAN DESIGNED TO BREAK THEIR WILL. We are caught in the paradox of BENEVOLENT POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. We can't carpet bomb because so many innocent people will be killed in the process of breaking their WILL; on the other hand, the terrorist are doing the equivalent thing as our carpet bombing by killing everyone in their way, on horse back against farmers, terrorizing civilians in the cities to insure support and recruiting success. This is their brilliant strategy. Can you imagine what would have happen if we tried to only target the Nazi Party in WWII. The support base for full scale conflict is PEOPLE. Wake Up America.

[FairOpinion]

Scary but true.

People ignore the lessons of history at OUR peril. The appeasers try to drive policy and WE will be the ones who will suffer and die.

"“If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.” Winston Churchill --"

[Teutates]

What good is the military doing there anyway? They are not doing what they do best; kill and break things.

Don't get me wrong... I think we should be in the Mid-East to protect and control our interests but, if all we are going to do is sit around and tell the Iraqis they need to get along with each other and make sure you vote; we are wasting our time.

Our time would be better spent picking a side and destroying the enemy. Take away their "will" to resist and maybe, just maybe, they will start to get along and continue to vote. I say back the Sunni and destroy the Shiite along with Iran. This is just a thought. It might even bring about reasonable stability in the region.

[Prokopton]

"I say back the Sunni and destroy the Shiite along with Iran"

Give the whole country to the Kurds. They've already shown they can govern themselves and they are the only pro-U.S. group of the three. This would also piss off turkey...which is good.

[Allegra]

Amazing how many "experts" on Iraq there are.

I've been in Iraq three years and I'm certainly not an expert.

But I know enough to know that these panel geeks have it all wrong.

As do a lot of posters on FR.

[Harrius Magnus]

That would piss Turkey off, which would be just desserts, after the scumbags blew us off for coming from the North at the beginning of the war in Iraq. Swarthy pigs.

[Allegra]

What good is the military doing there anyway?

A lot more than the media ever lets on.

[PA-RIVER]

Sandra Day O'Connor? Now advising the president?

This woman couldn't couldn't handle voting within constitutional bounds on the supreme court, now she wants to advise on how to manage a war being fought on fronts in every country?

Vernon Jordan? Now advising the president?

I thought he was an expert at finding UN jobs for Clintons sexual servants. He's a war adviser now? Who promoted him?
He's no longer director of the sexual servant jobs program?

Save some money, just ask a Pimp on a NY street for his war advice.

[stockpirate]

How did this group of retards even get on the panel and why did Bush allow no military leaders

[Steel Wolf]

How did this group of retards even get on the panel and why did Bush allow no military leaders

Because he's looking for a way out, and the Iraq Study Group is going to pave the way for him? Despite liberal stereotyping to the contrary, President Bush is far from stupid. The reason this 'lofty, bipartisan' group exists at all is to break the ice for a major policy change. The President would have smothered this thing with a pillow months ago if he didn't want them to do exactly what they're doing now.

[roses of sharon]

The ISG was put together by the Senate, McCain called for it, not the President.

[Leatherneck_MT]

Wow.. someone who gets it!

[The Great RJ]

I fully expect Jim Baker to return from Iran waving a signed agreement handing over Iraq to Iranian control and declaring "peace in our time".

[stockpirate]

Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy for John McLame

[roses of sharon]

I know, what a jerk, I think he tacked it on to some bill, IIRC.

[tillacum]

It's good to see your post again. i quite agree, the panel geeks are just a group who probably do not receive on site, daily briefings. BUT, think they know all, so have the wherewithall to tell our administration to pull up and pull out for the sake of peace. BAH HUMBUG! Oh, it's 56 degrees in central Texas.

[tillacum]

I knew there was a rotten fish in the putting together of that panel, somewhere. I just couldn't believe our President would do something so stupid. Only mcshame!