[Kimberly GG]

Ok bill, you do realize, do you not, that MOST Americans, including most of us here, do NOT want what Bush wants on this issue. We DO want our borders effectively secured and we DO want our immigration laws enforced. Bush, does not. We do NOT want illegal aliens to be given 'earned' amnesty. Bush, does.

So if you are implying that Tancredo has been 'destructive', because his so-called 'motives' are to push for what MOST Americans want, WHY do you have a problem with that agenda, even if it is not what Bush wants? Think about it, maybe you ought to examine your own motives.

[bybybill]

Has Tom Tancredo`s approach accomplished what you want? Pences plan could have passed if Tancredo would have supported it and it would have made a positive difference. But, if the goal was to NOT solve the problem, to use it as a stepping stone for personal political gain, well, compromise of any kind is out. As if any bill is without a compromise. And, what`s really neat from Tom`s position, is that he can always blame Bush.

[zbigreddogz]

Ok bill, you do realize, do you not, that MOST Americans, including most of us here, do NOT want what Bush wants on this issue.

You're wrong on that. Most Americans don't want 'Amnesty', true, but when you ask them, 'Should we allow guest workers,' the answer is overwhelmingly 'Yes'. When you ask them, 'Should illegal aliens with otherwise clean records, who pay back taxes, fines, and learn english, be allowed to stay?' again, the answer is 'Yes'.

That is why Tancredo calls every single proposal that isn't his 'Amnesty', because he knows 'Amnesty' polls poorly, while the things he calls 'Amnesty', which either clearly isn't Amnesty (guest workers, especially in the form of the Pence plan), or arguably isn't (earned citizenship), poll much better.

Tancredo has never attempted to win this debate on substance. It's always a semantics dance.