Paper lion.
These guys are on the front line.
Posted on 11/30/2006 1:11:26 PM PST by wouldntbprudent
It's NOT the "same thing".
"Colorado has many Sactuary Cities...Where was Tom?"
Right on the front lines. He wrote a letter or two to Denver mayor John Hinkenlooper complaining about his policy towards illegals living in Denver. That story was everywhere, and it was fairly recent.
Huh? Care to explain?
smear Dane...
I didn't smear him. Dane has written all kinds of trash about J.D. Hayworth, calling him things ranging from Bushbasher to "blowhard." All after he lost.
Tancredo is an idiot.
"Care to explain?"
Never mind. I thought you were saying I spelt something in this thread, or the post you replied to, like that.
Look, Hayworth decided to jump into Tancredo's "bed of roses" with Hayworth making bashing hispanics his main campaign theme and pronouncing it on any media outlet he could find(Imus et al.).
Well Hayowrth has found out that bed of roses contains some thorns, especially his losing his taxpayer meal ticket.
Wow these threads get ugly and stupid.
A letter or two? How'd that turn out?
Tancredo is a an unuseful idiot.
If the problem is solved, Tancredo is out of a job.
These words seem to apply here SO WELL:
"There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs -- partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs." -- Booker T. Washington
Walter E. Williams quoted Washington in an article titled "Problem Profiteers"; that's what Tom Tancredo is.
Paper lion.
These guys are on the front line.
According to the border bots, they can criticize, trash, bash, bend, and staple anyone, but nobody can say one word against their idols, with feet of clay, all the way up to their armpits. LOL
Am I Dane? Nope, last time I looked, I have had the same single nic here, since I joined. I write what I write and it is patently ridiculous for you to claim otherwise and then throw in another poster, as though I had posted the replies that poster posted.
It was a smear and you know it! Stop backpedaling so fast and read YOUR posts and mine!
OK...I'll play.
Which one has the worst problem?
HEY!!!
Isn't Colorado Tom's State?
It has nearly twice as many illegal aliens per capita as Florida does!!!
Why the hell isn't Tom cleaning his OWN DAMNED HOUSE before he talks about how someone else's windows needs washing?
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| #1 | California: | 6.114 per 100 people |
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| #2 | Arizona: | 4.765 per 100 people |
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| #3 | Texas: | 4.554 per 100 people |
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| #4 | Nevada: | 4.183 per 100 people |
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| #5 | Illinois: | 3.385 per 100 people |
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| #6 | Colorado: | 3.087 per 100 people |
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| #7 | Utah: | 2.632 per 100 people |
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| #8 | New York: | 2.54 per 100 people |
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| #9 | New Jersey: | 2.535 per 100 people |
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| #10 | Georgia: | 2.513 per 100 people |
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| #11 | Oregon: | 2.472 per 100 people |
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| #12 | North Carolina: | 2.372 per 100 people |
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| #13 | Washington: | 2.163 per 100 people |
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| #14 | New Mexico: | 2.022 per 100 people |
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| #15 | Florida: | 1.894 per 100 people |
Yes, I'm almost sorry I posted it.
Poor choice of words Nap.
Tancredo didn't serve in Vietnam by claiming depression.
The main difficulty here (IMHO) is that both "sides" on this issue are so deeply, if not willfully, deluded about the nature of the problem that formulating, let alone enacting, sensible and effective policy has become nearly impossible.
The "close the border" faction for their part pretends (or possibly is stupid or ignorant enough to actually believe) that our southern border is now "open" and that nothing has been or is being done to improve border security. In fact this perception is wildly inaccurate.
By every metric border security has been greatly and progressively strengthened over the past couple decades, and more so since 9-11, due to massive increases in the resources devoted thereto. Twenty years ago illegally crossing the Southern border entailed, in the typical case, little more than a five minute walk, usually on the outskirts of a metropolitan area. Today (unless you have hundreds to thousands of dollars for a "coyote") it requires a two day walk across desert or other remote and forbidding terrain.
The "(pro) open border" types are equally deluded, pretending that an open border is either possible or desirable in the wake of 9-11.
We're in a bad place right precisely because the borders are neither open, on the one hand, nor approximate to 100% secure on the other.
The borders are just secure enough that we've lost certain advantages attendant to the more-or-less "open" borders of the early 80's and previous: "Circularity" (the percentage of illegals who return home each year of their own accord) has been vastly reduced because it's more expensive, dangerous and uncertain to cross the border. Once an illegal gets here he is much more likely to remain here, and more likely to bring his wife and children with him, since he can no longer cross the border easily to seasonally work here and live there. Obviously illegal families entail far larger social costs than young, single males working here seasonally.
At the same time the need to support families, and/or remain in the country year round, means that illegals need to either seek higher paying, more permanent jobs, and support and contribute to the growth of the black market in fake documents and etc to do so, or have to turn to crime directly to support themselves.
I think the prescription for this state of affairs is pretty obvious. We need to both continue to improve border security AND give illegals who are otherwise of good faith and contributing to society some viable paths that lead them AWAY from the growing black-market sectors that are a danger to our security.
But alas the number of Americans who want to do BOTH these things seems to be very, very small. As a result neither side will give in, little will get accomplished, and the problems associated with illegal immigration and a growing population of permanent illegals will grow worse for the immediate future.
12-10 million targets will invariably overwhelm law enforcement and homeland security. We should be providing means for the portion of illegals who simply want to live and work here (or work here and live elsewhere) to SEPARATE themselves from the growing number of hardened criminals (and worse) among illegals. Instead the current state of affairs is tending to lump these elements together and giving criminals (and worse) plenty of space to operate and plenty of humanity to hide among.
HEY! Such plain spoken common sense is frowned upon in border threads!
The native cultures of 19th century Irish, Italian and Eastern-European immigrants were very much incompatible with American republicanism as grounded in the Anglo-Saxon tradition. Nevertheless, all these groups have become successful Americans. I don't see how the current situation is any different.
Now why would I want Tancredo to support Pence? Might as well be asking for Tancredo to support Bush. Bush & Pence, Same goal, different route, goal=amnesty. If Tancredo succeeds in accomplishing what the American people want, that IS the GOAL and the problem of an open border and enforcement of our immigration laws WILL be solved.
And what the heck are you talking about 'he can always blame Bush'? He's already to blame. The borders should have been effectively secure on 9/12. They are not. Our immigration laws should be enforced. They are not. And neither should be 'compromised' on, they should be done!! And if you think Tom is using the issue for some kind of political gain, then so be it. He's a politician, just like Bush. But as long as he is willing to do what Bush clearly is not, I'm all for giving him the power to do so.
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