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Can We Talk? (War with Islam; Islam Incompatible with Democracy)
National Review Online ^ | 29 November 2006 | Andrew C. McCarthy

Posted on 11/29/2006 7:56:05 AM PST by Spiff

Can We Talk?

Well, we can, but we shouldn’t.

By Andrew C. McCarthy
November 29, 2006 12:00 AM

This is a war of will. If we lose it, the historians will marvel at how mulishly we resisted understanding the one thing we needed to understand in order to win. The enemy.

In Iraq, we’ve tried to fight the most civilized “light footprint” war of all time. We made sure everyone knew our beef was only with Saddam Hussein, as if he were a one-man militia — no Sunni Baathists supporting him, no Arab terrorists colluding, and no Shiite jihadists hating us just on principle.

No, our war was only with the regime. No need to fight the Iraqis. They, after all, were noble. They would flock to democracy if only they had the chance. And, once they hailed us as conquering heroes, their oil wealth would pay for the whole thing … just 400 billion American dollars ago.

This may be the biggest disconnect of all time between the American people and a war government.

In the wake of 9/11, the American people did not care about democratizing the Muslim world. Or, for that matter, about the Muslim world in general. They still don’t. They want Islamic terrorists and their state sponsors crushed. As for the aftermath, they want something stable that no longer threatens our interests; they care not a wit whether Baghdad’s new government looks like Teaneck’s.

To the contrary, Bush-administration officials — notwithstanding goo-gobs of evidence that terrorists have used the freedoms of Western democracies, including our own, the better to plot mass murder — have conned themselves into believing that democracy, not decisive force, is the key to conquering this enemy.

So deeply have they gulped the Kool-Aid that, to this day, they refuse to acknowledge what is plain to see: While only a small number of the world’s billion-plus Muslims (though a far larger number than we’d like to believe) is willing to commit acts of terrorism, a substantial percentage — meaning tens of millions — supports the terrorists’ anti-West, anti-democratic agenda.

Islamic countries, moreover, are not rejecting Western democracy because they haven’t experienced it. They reject it on principle. For them, the president’s euphonious rhetoric about democratic empowerment is offensive. They believe, sincerely, that authority to rule comes not from the people but from Allah; that there is no separation of religion and politics; that free people do not have authority to legislate contrary to Islamic law; that Muslims are superior to non-Muslims, and men to women; and that violent jihad is a duty whenever Muslims deem themselves under attack … no matter how speciously.

These people are not morons. They adhere to a highly developed belief system that is centuries old, wildly successful, and for which many are willing to die. They haven’t refused to democratize because the Federalist Papers are not yet out in Arabic. They decline because their leaders have freely chosen to decline. They see us as the mortal enemy of the life they believe Allah commands. Their demurral is wrong, but it is principled, not ignorant. And we insult them by suggesting otherwise.

Democratizing such cultures — in anything we would recognize as “democracy” — is the work of generations. It is a cultural phenomenon. It is not accomplished by elections and facile constitution writing … especially, constitutions that shun Madisonian democracy for the State Department’s preferred establishment of Islam and its adhesive sharia law as the state religion. Elections, in fact, play to the strengths of Islamic terrorists. Jihadists are confident, intimidating, and rigorously disciplined. They are thus certain to thrive in the chaos of nascent “democracies.” Consequently, it should be unsurprising to anyone with a shred of common sense that terrorist organizations are ascendant in the new governments of Iraq, Lebanon, and the Palestinian territories.

So now comes James Baker’s Iraq Study Group, riding in on its bipartisan white horse to save the day. The democracy project having failed, this blue-ribbon panel’s solution is: Let’s talk.

Let’s talk with our enemies, Iran and Syria. Let’s talk with terror abettors as if they were good guys — just like us. As if they were just concerned neighbors trying to stop the bloodshed in Iraq … instead of the dons who’ve been commanding it all along.

Someone, please explain something to me: How does it follow that, because Islamic cultures reject democracy, we somehow need to talk to Iran and Syria?

What earthly logic that supports talking with these Islamic terrorists would not also support negotiating with al Qaeda — a demarche not even a Kennedy School grad would dare propose?

There’s none.

When I grew up in The Bronx, there were street gangs. You mostly stayed away from them, and, if you really had to, you fought with them. But I never remember anyone saying, “Gee, maybe if we just talk with them ...”

Nor do I remember, in two decades as a prosecutor, anyone saying, “Y’know, maybe if we just talk with these Mafia guys, we could achieve some kind of understanding ...”

Sitting down with evil legitimizes evil. As a practical matter, all it accomplishes is to convey weakness. This spring — after trumpeting the Bush Doctrine’s “you’re with us or you’re with the terrorists” slogan for five years — Secretary of State Rice pathetically sought to bribe Iran out of its nuclear program with a menu of all carrots and no sticks … and certainly no demand that the mullahs stop fomenting terror. The result? They’re still laughing at us, even as they build their bombs, harbor al Qaeda operatives, and arm the militias killing American soldiers in Iraq.

While our rhetoric blathers that we’ll never let them have a nuke, our talk begs them, pretty-please, to stop building one. And our actions all but hand them one. If all that makes you wonder who’s the superpower, what do you suppose they’re thinking?

That’s talking with an enemy that has us pretty well pegged, while we stubbornly resist even thinking about what motivates him. We wouldn’t want to question his ideology. After all, what would CAIR say?

The democracy project tells Islamists that we don’t understand them — or care to try understanding them. The “let’s talk” gambit confirms that we’re not just studiously ignorant; we’re ripe for the taking.

For our own sake, we need to respect the enemy. That means grasping that he’s implacable, that he means us only harm, and that he must be subdued, not appeased. Negotiating with such evil is always a mistake, for any accommodation with evil is, by definition, evil.

Rejecting the democracy project is about respecting the enemy. Declining to talk to the enemy is about respecting ourselves.

— Andrew C. McCarthy is a senior fellow at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies.


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iraq; jihad; muslims; terrorism
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Laura Ingraham read this excellent piece on the air this morning. I had to post it as it sums things up very well. We never desired a war with Islam, nor do we want it, but war with Islam is upon us. Jihad has been declared against America and our attempts to "democratize" Islamic, terrorist-supporting nations will not only fail, but fail badly. We seem to lack the will to crush our enemies anymore and Islam is not the enemy with which to make that deadly mistake.
1 posted on 11/29/2006 7:56:06 AM PST by Spiff
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To: Spiff

The whole premise is wrong. Islamic fundamentlists don't reject "democracy" at all. They love it because they seem to win ever election including those in Iran (Maliki/Sadr) and Hamasistan.


2 posted on 11/29/2006 7:58:15 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Spiff

"Jihad has been declared against America and our attempts to "democratize" Islamic, terrorist-supporting nations will not only fail, but fail badly."

Three years ago I would have told you you were nuts. Now, I'm not so sure. I have come to learn that where Islam is practiced, Islam tends to rule, vote or no vote.

My fears are that the people will quickly vote themselves right out of a democracy or vote exactly how the Imams tell them, with Imams pretty much ruling by proxy.

Hope I'm wrong.


3 posted on 11/29/2006 8:01:34 AM PST by L98Fiero (Built to please and raised to rock.)
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To: Spiff

If only our "leaders" could understand the simple truths elucidated in this well written article.


4 posted on 11/29/2006 8:02:14 AM PST by Prokopton
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To: Spiff
They [American people] want Islamic terrorists and their state sponsors crushed.

If only it were so. I fear that only 10% of our population really understands the problem and agrees with this.

5 posted on 11/29/2006 8:05:25 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Prokopton

It's a good piece.


6 posted on 11/29/2006 8:05:39 AM PST by karnage
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To: Spiff

4 Later...


7 posted on 11/29/2006 8:06:07 AM PST by Wings-n-Wind (I live in the south for several good reasons -- "shirt-sleeve" November is one of them!)
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Excellent article. It is true. Well, President Bush described the Muslim religion just after the attacks of 9/11 as the "religion of peace".

I wonder what he thinks of it now. Or does he prefer not to.


8 posted on 11/29/2006 8:06:22 AM PST by micho
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To: Spiff

Very good article, one thing I hope will be emphasized is that Muslims are not monolithic, they are divided against each other so we should play up that hatred that Sunnis and Shiites have for one another. "Divide and conquer" might come in handy and point out that these mutts can't even get along with fellow Muslims, why should we try to accomodate their murderous aims?


9 posted on 11/29/2006 8:07:21 AM PST by Rockiette (Democrats are not intelligent!)
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To: Spiff

I think Muslims have shown they are incapable of establishing, maintaining and participating in democracy. The ones who are here are just counting the days til they can overthrow ours, and are more than happy to use our tolerance, our technology and our open societies to further their goal, until they are in a position to destroy it. We handed it to them on a platter in Iraq, and look what we got. THEY JUST DON'T GET IT, and never will. Western society went through a Renaissance and reformation, and had years of Enlightenment thinking to fall back on in creating democracy. Islam hasn't even gotten to the Renaissance part yet, and is unlikely to ever develop the mindset that would bring about the creation of or abiility to participate in a democracy. Our obligation is to get serious about defending ourselves and our way of life.


10 posted on 11/29/2006 8:07:57 AM PST by 3AngelaD (ic.)
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To: Spiff

McCarthy nails it.


11 posted on 11/29/2006 8:07:57 AM PST by sarasota
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To: Spiff

IF we just went in there, kill all the bad guys and left, some other a-hole will take over. Nation building is essential to maintaining our security. Because we left Afghanistan after they kicked the Soviets out, hell we even let them kill each other to "thin out the herd", OBL got his personal playground to concoct his atrocities. Even if 99% of the people are bashing their brains out, 1% will find a way to get back at the great or little Satan. The "Fortress America" and "letthemkilleachother" mentality ignores facts on the ground and recent history.

Not ot mention the whole article is flawed because it rests upon the DSM's image of Iraq and not the truth but that's another issue.


12 posted on 11/29/2006 8:08:05 AM PST by Killborn (Pres. Bush isn't Pres. Reagan. Then again, Pres. Regan isn't Pres. Washington. God bless them all.)
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To: Spiff

Bumpitttt.


13 posted on 11/29/2006 8:08:13 AM PST by Rocko (I look forward to living in your Islamic Utopia, Nancy Pelosi. /s)
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To: Spiff

"wildly sucessful" ?


14 posted on 11/29/2006 8:09:01 AM PST by larryjohnson (USAF(Ret))
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To: Spiff
It will be interesting to see what it will take for the average American to understand what the author is saying. The islamists have never stopped their jihad, but we frequently stop paying attention, as if it will go away if we just stop looking at it. It won't. There is a bad (crescent) moon risin' and at some point we won't be able to ignore it any longer.
15 posted on 11/29/2006 8:09:21 AM PST by GBA (God Bless America!)
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To: Spiff

bttt


16 posted on 11/29/2006 8:12:21 AM PST by kalee (II have taken the pledge... I will no longer read homeschooling or breastfeeding threads on FR.)
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To: Spiff
To the contrary, Bush-administration officials — notwithstanding goo-gobs of evidence that terrorists have used the freedoms of Western democracies, including our own, the better to plot mass murder — have conned themselves into believing that democracy, not decisive force, is the key to conquering this enemy.

The delusion of Wilsonian do-gooding. Bush should never have listened to this kind of thinking.

Democratizing such cultures — in anything we would recognize as “democracy” — is the work of generations. It is a cultural phenomenon. It is not accomplished by elections and facile constitution writing … especially, constitutions that shun Madisonian democracy for the State Department’s preferred establishment of Islam and its adhesive sharia law as the state religion. Elections, in fact, play to the strengths of Islamic terrorists.

Exactly so. We imposed democracy on Japan forcefully after gelding the emperor. We made it clear to Germany there would be no return to fascism or a Kaiser. But in Iraq, we ignored the problems Turkey has faced for decades and flippantly enshrined the enemy of liberty and human rights, Islam, in their constitution which actually reduced their freedoms and civil rights with the result that women and Christians are victimized by the Islamists on a legal basis.

Great find, Spiff.
17 posted on 11/29/2006 8:12:50 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Spiff; B-Chan
They haven’t refused to democratize because the Federalist Papers are not yet out in Arabic. They decline because their leaders have freely chosen to decline. They see us as the mortal enemy of the life they believe Allah commands. Their demurral is wrong, but it is principled, not ignorant. And we insult them by suggesting otherwise.

Bush talks about the "soft racism" of those who say that some people are not ready for democracy.

But perhaps he thus insults many in the Middle East, perhaps a huge majority, when he implies that they don't want what they already have.

18 posted on 11/29/2006 8:13:59 AM PST by secretagent
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To: Killborn
Yes, a very easy article to write and feels good, as is populism and cynicism as a whole, but produces nothing as usual.
19 posted on 11/29/2006 8:14:31 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: L98Fiero
Hope I'm wrong.

You're not wrong......I wish you were.

20 posted on 11/29/2006 8:16:00 AM PST by CAP811 (One man can change the world with a bullet in the right place)
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