Moscow points the finger of blame at billionaire exile Boris Berezovsky

The Times ^ | November 29, 2006 | Tony Halpin, Richard Beeston and Daniel McGrory

[b2stealth]

>I have provided my credentials to Jim Robinson, and others on Free Republic

We all know your credentials, you are here 24/7 protecting KGB - full time KGB troll.

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

By your logic it doesn't matter whom Putin helps as long as we have bigger weapon?

The TorM1 has limitations that are easily exploited by an attacker (most notably, maximum ceiling), and Russia is selling very few of them. Frankly, I can think of weapons systems that Russia can sell in large numbers to Iran that would be far more worrisome--and they haven't sold them to Iran. Instead, they have sold Iran material that is far less useful, in return for Iran's hard-won foreign exchange. (Yes, oil is higher than before, but even Iran has a finite amount of money.)

[b2stealth]

So did Putin sell weapons to Iran or not??

[gondramB]

>>c'mon, pal, your talking about Massachusettes.

Pukin' Putin really over played his hand.
I'm sure anyone could get Polonium 210 from your nearest
pharmacy. <<

Actually, anybody can buy Polonium210 -just not in this quantity - its even legal to ship it in much smaller quantities than was used for this assasination. Its a useful point source for research or teaching.

http://www.unitednuclear.com/isotopes.htm

As to who did - that's an open question. Putin, somebody trying to discredit Putin, a state operation but without Putin's knowledge all seem possible. The one clear thing from the radioactive trail is it ties back to Russia.

[gondramB]

The problem with the argument that Russians (or the French or whomever) sell inferior weapons to outlaw states misses a critical point - that they don't make it clear the how the U.S will defeat those weapons and thus they embolden these outlaw states into rash actions that result in great loss of life.

More of theirs than ours, to be sure, but still its bad.

[JasonC]

A different Russian billionaire, financier to Zhironovsky or however you spell it, was almost killed and badly burned in a car wreck in the riveria very recently. A woman was with him, some newscaster. She flew off to Moscow, he's in the hospital. The story is he lost control of the car (a borrowed Ferrari). The coincidences are piling up fast enough, though, that I venture to guess he was busy with something besides driving, at a minimum.

[JasonC]

The excuses people make for murdering pyschopaths... Of course it is Putin. Acton's dictum...

[gondramB]

>>The excuses people make for murdering pyschopaths... Of course it is Putin. Acton's dictum...<<

I would certainly bet on Putin if I had to bet.

But there are multiple possibilities...

Assuming it was an act of the Russian government there are still multiple possiblities:

Putin authorizing it directly or with what they consider "plausable deniability."

but who knows.

It could even be policy - if a CIA agent defected to Russia and started condiucting an operation directed at our President, we might very well remove him without the President directly signing off.

But given, Putin's background, I'd bet he was in the loop.

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

Outlaw states will engage in rash actions no matter what. That's why they're freakin' outlaws!

Your arguments rather closely resemble the arguments used by gun control groups.

[gondramB]

>>Outlaw states will engage in rash actions no matter what. That's why they're freakin' outlaws!

Your arguments rather closely resemble the arguments used by gun control groups.<<

The logic of the argument is similar but the basis is different.

I acknowledge and respect the right of American citizens to keep and bear arms while I do not respect or acknowledge the right of outlaw nations embargoed by both the U.S. and the U.N. to receive high tech weapons.

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

"The logic of the argument is similar but the basis is different."

In that case, the argument has absolutely zero logic, making the basis irrelevant.

"I acknowledge and respect the right of American citizens to keep and bear arms while I do not respect or acknowledge the right of outlaw nations embargoed by both the U.S. and the U.N. to receive high tech weapons."

Iran is not embargoed by the UN, merely by the US. And they will be outlaws, TorM1s or no TorM1s.

[gondramB]

Well it sounds like you're gonna support missiles for Iran no matter what, so I will just concede.

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

No, I'm just not going to get my panties wadded up and accuse their suppliers of waging war against the United States.

[M. Espinola]

"No, I'm just not going to get my panties wadded up and accuse their suppliers of waging war against the United States."

Well, that's bloody evident after reading your previous comments relating to Putin & jihadist exporting Iran.

With Putin's régime arming to the gills terrorist inciting rouge states in the expanded Axis of Evil how can you say Putin is not plotting a future war with the United States when every tyrant is weapons are outfitting are already at war with US?.

He is using these ever willing terrorist proxies to keep America's military spread out all over, combating jihadist instigated war of terror s, plus on guard for communist invasion from North Korea , as Iran& Syria have provoked in Iraq coupled with numerous other hot spots, as in guarding against full scale communist invasion from North Korea, while on America's home-front the nation remains deeply divided with the radical leftist media beating the drums of division, falling into the enemies goals. Perfect for Putin's future 'plans' plus all his jihadic & communist cohorts he sells Russian made weapons systems.

Meanwhile Putin's has begun a duplication of the Night of The Long Knives in the Russian 'Motherland' as well as abroad by liquidating vocal critics of his past diabolical involvements, while warning the West this KGB thug is a second Stalin preparing for a winnable nuclear war.

[M. Espinola]

Is the Kremlin paying willing propagandists from the Putin Promoters Club regular overtime, or have you staunch comrades graduated to double time and a half on weekends, plus 'benefits'?

Cat's put of the bag, spill it, we know anyway, just wondering which rate of overtime Moscow is willing to cough up these days.

Vlad might send you a copy of his favourite disc, comrade.

[happinesswithoutpeace]

You were right.

I give credit where credit is due. I read some articles today that he converted on his deathbed (this info was provided by his father, although that does lead to a discrepancy between the "2 months ago" and "converted on deathbed").

[GarySpFc]

In several other places it states he converted two months ago. The Russophobes denied any conversion took place.