UK police find radiation in Berezovsky's office building -1(Godfather of the Kremlin)

RIAN ^ | 11/28/2006 | Editor

[GarySpFc]

I don't believe you.

[Kozak]

Which part?

[Kozak]

By the way I don't believe a former "Special Forces" guy could be such a lick spittle for Putin and his KGB mafia. Unless of course you were Spetznaz.....

[GarySpFc]

Go take your insults and hate elsewhere. You might want to schedule a visit with your psychologist.

[Kozak]

I repeat, what part don't you beleive? That I'm an experienced
ER physician with decades of treating GSW's? or the specific areas of the country I've practiced?

You sure are touchy for a big strong SF guy....

[GarySpFc]

BTW, even if by some miracle a .380 ACP or Makarov 9X18 round shot through a silencer did pass through the skull, almost all of the energy would be spent, and the exit wound would be small.

[Kozak]

Now let me get this straight. You, in your experience as a weapons expert doubt a 9mm makarov round, fired at point blank range would have trouble penetrating the skull? I suppose when the NKVD gave the noodle they also pistol whipped the poor guys whenm the round bounced off.

Guess what the favorite assasin weapon of the mob is? It's a 22 cal fired with a silencer at point blank. They penetrate with no problem. The REASON they use that cal is because unlike larger calibers they DO tend to stay put in the head and just kind of bounce around inside.

Just what is your practical experience here eh? How many real no shit gun shot wounds have you seen? Like I said I've seen hundreds.

[swarthyguy]

Cui Bono? Not Putin.

Many want to see this as the return of SMERSH.

For my money, I'd bet some of the RobberOligarchs hiding their illgotten gains in London are the prime suspects.

[Deo et Patria]

ping for further reading

[Thunder90]

Putin is a Communist soviet premier with an image team and a makeover.

[Donna Lee Nardo]

Gary, ruffling more feathers again, are we?

[SauronOfMordor]

And the credibility of a report from the "Russian News and Information Agency", regarding an incident that makes the Russian govt look bad, is?

[SauronOfMordor]

British police said Tuesday they had found traces of a radioactive isotope believed to have killed a Russian ex-spy, in an office building of his associate, fugitive Russian oligarch Boris Berezovsky.

If he was an "associate" of Berezovsky, why would it be strange to find traces in Berezovsky's building? I would assume that associates associate every once in a while

[GarySpFc]

Now let me get this straight. You, in your experience as a weapons expert doubt a 9mm makarov round, fired at point blank range would have trouble penetrating the skull? I suppose when the NKVD gave the noodle they also pistol whipped the poor guys whenm the round bounced off.

Cut out the nonsense! The issue was Anna Polikovskaya being shot in the face or back of the head. She was shot in the face with a 9X18 Makarov. It clearly would penetrate the skull, but the kinetic energy for this round is only slightly better than the .380 ACP. I agree exit wounds are larger, but with either the .380 or Makarov round it is not going to destroy the face. Heck, the .380 most of the time will not completely traverse through a watermelon, and we are not talking about using a silencer, which slows the round down considerably. Add a silencer on the Mararov, and you will likely slow it down by half.

Guess what the favorite assasin weapon of the mob is? It's a 22 cal fired with a silencer at point blank. They penetrate with no problem. The REASON they use that cal is because unlike larger calibers they DO tend to stay put in the head and just kind of bounce around inside.

You're kidding? Special Ops never use a Ruger with a suppressor. :) However, you are only partially right regarding the reason. The sound from a 22 LR can be suppressed more than any other round.

Just what is your practical experience here eh? How many real no shit gun shot wounds have you seen? Like I said I've seen hundreds.

I honestly have not seen any wounds inflicted with a pistol, rifle yes...many.

Yes, you have seen hundreds of gunshot wounds to the head, and some were .380 ACP. I suspect some went through the head. HOWEVER, I seriously doubt you have seen either a .380 ACP or Makarov round exit a head fired from a pistol using a silencer. It ain't gonna happen. the point regarding Anna Polikovskaya being shot in the face stands.

[GarySpFc]

Contrary to what you have heard the media in Russia is really open, and Putin is frequently criticized on it. Funny, but we never hear about the BBC being state controlled.

[GarySpFc]

I would assume that associates associate every once in a while

Have you ever heard of a timeline?

[Donna Lee Nardo]

That person's view is interesting. I missed this the first time 'round.

[Kozak]

You are too much. You drop an unsubstantiated " stories I've read" regarding the assassination, tie this to unsubstantiated, " clearly a Chechen hit" and voila you have confabulated a complete resolution absolving your beloved RasPutin.

I don't know if she was shot in the face, the back of the head or the side of the head. Neither do you. Nothing about the style of the assassination proves it was or wasn't a Russian government operation. Maybe they shot her just the way you describe as an attempt to cloud the issue. Russia certainly has a long history of using assassination as a tool of repression and intimidation. Events when taken in totality shows RasPutin is taking Russia back down the road to autocracy and again being an enemy of the United States.

[GarySpFc]

True, it is an unsubstantiated story. That said, the method of blowing the face off during assassination is Chechen. Read Terror at Beslan, by John Giduck, a US Army ex-Special Forces officer. He was able to be on the scene at Beslan, while the Russians were mopping up.

You say, Russia has a long history of using assassination as a tool of repression and intimidation. If you would have said the communists have a long history of using assassination as a tool of repression and intimidation, then I would shake your hand in full agreement. However, your bigotry shows, and that is wrong. Evil is evil, and evildoers always try to absolve themselves of guilt by blaming others.

[Kozak]

From NRO:

"Exporting a Tradition
Vladimir Putin appears to be only the latest in the long line of Russian tsars who have upheld the tradition of assassinating anyone who stood in their way. The practice goes back at least as far as the XIVth century’s Ivan the Terrible, who killed thousands of boyars and other people, including Metropolitan Philip and Prince Alexander Gorbatyl-Shuisky for having refused to swear an oath of allegiance to his eldest son, an infant at the time. Peter the Great unleashed his political police against everybody who spoke out against him, from his own wife, to drunks who told jokes about his rule; he even had the political police lure his own son and heir, the tsarevich Aleksey, back to Russia from abroad and torture him to death. "