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The foundational document of truth our public servants are required to affirm an oath on is The Bible. This principle should not change simply because the person who wants to be sworn is a Muslim. Either that person subscribes to the American creed and to the book America as a nation holds holy or be barred from assuming office. Keith Ellison can decide between Islam and his loyalty to America. He can accept our values or forfeit his seat in Congress.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

1 posted on 11/27/2006 9:43:32 PM PST by goldstategop
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It should be the Bible or nothing. Substitutions should not be allowed.
2 posted on 11/27/2006 9:46:17 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead (At worst the Pope's comments might cause a "war of words" but mohammedans prefer a "war over words".)
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"Keith Ellison can decide between Islam and his loyalty to America."

Absolutely! Besides, the majority dictates, not the one. Betcha there is "buyers remorse" setting in already.


4 posted on 11/27/2006 9:53:00 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (Support the troops because they support you!)
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5 posted on 11/27/2006 9:55:54 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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I'd like to see this go to the Supreme Court. Jefferson and Adams, if alive today, would declare Islam unconstitutional.


7 posted on 11/27/2006 9:56:26 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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All BS aside, what is the legal basis pro and con for this?

Can an elected representative sit if he refuses the oath?


8 posted on 11/27/2006 9:56:36 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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bttt


9 posted on 11/27/2006 9:59:20 PM PST by Christian4Bush (Don't blame me - I didn't vote for these DEM b**tards. (redacted to satiate religioncop TXBlair))
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Is this being reported on other than Mr. Prager? I kinda doubt it. And the dumbs---s that elected this guy should all gather round when he swears his oath to Allah. Good God help us.


10 posted on 11/27/2006 9:59:34 PM PST by RacerX1128
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I believe this to be wrong. However, after reading the following the people who elected this muskie get what they asked for.

At the start of each new Congress, in January of every odd-numbered year, the entire House of Representatives and one-third of the Senate performs a solemn and festive constitutional rite that is as old as the Republic. While the oath-taking dates back to the First Congress in 1789, the current oath is a product of the 1860s, drafted by Civil War-era members of Congress intent on ensnaring traitors.

The Constitution contains an oath of office only for the president. For other officials, including members of Congress, that document specifies only that they "shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation to support this constitution." In 1789, the First Congress reworked this requirement into a simple fourteen-word oath: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support the Constitution of the United States."


11 posted on 11/27/2006 10:01:48 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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I believe this to be wrong. However, after reading the following the people who elected this muskie get what they asked for.

At the start of each new Congress, in January of every odd-numbered year, the entire House of Representatives and one-third of the Senate performs a solemn and festive constitutional rite that is as old as the Republic. While the oath-taking dates back to the First Congress in 1789, the current oath is a product of the 1860s, drafted by Civil War-era members of Congress intent on ensnaring traitors.

The Constitution contains an oath of office only for the president. For other officials, including members of Congress, that document specifies only that they "shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation to support this constitution." In 1789, the First Congress reworked this requirement into a simple fourteen-word oath: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support the Constitution of the United States."


12 posted on 11/27/2006 10:01:55 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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I believe this to be wrong. However, after reading the following the people who elected this muskie get what they asked for.

At the start of each new Congress, in January of every odd-numbered year, the entire House of Representatives and one-third of the Senate performs a solemn and festive constitutional rite that is as old as the Republic. While the oath-taking dates back to the First Congress in 1789, the current oath is a product of the 1860s, drafted by Civil War-era members of Congress intent on ensnaring traitors.

The Constitution contains an oath of office only for the president. For other officials, including members of Congress, that document specifies only that they "shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation to support this constitution." In 1789, the First Congress reworked this requirement into a simple fourteen-word oath: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support the Constitution of the United States."


13 posted on 11/27/2006 10:02:00 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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This is historically inaccurate. According to the Architect of the House's website, Teddy Roosevelt did NOT swear on the bible when he took his oath of office after President McKinley's death in 1903 - he merely raised his hand.

And nothing in the Constitution requires a Congressman to swear on the Bible. In fact, all Article VI requires is that the Congressman take an oath OR affirmation to support the Constitution. An AFFIRMATION doesn't require swearing on the bible at all, and gives an out for those with religious objections. Although I haven't done research yet, I'd be shocked if some Congressmen haven't gone the affirmation route in the past and not taken an oath on the Bible.
15 posted on 11/27/2006 10:11:47 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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unbeleivable! Yet sadly- we'll probably coddle to him for fear of reprisals should we force him to show some actual patriotism and pledge his allegience to the Christian nation of the U.S.- Burkas and prayer rugs for everyone can't be far behind. http://sacredscoop.com


20 posted on 11/27/2006 10:18:41 PM PST by CottShop
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bump


21 posted on 11/27/2006 10:21:09 PM PST by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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Yuck. I can't stand the thought of a the Koran being in the halls of Congress . . .


23 posted on 11/27/2006 10:21:24 PM PST by Princip. Conservative
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Just a question to everyone:

What if a member of Congress was an atheist? Would they also be obligated to be sworn in on the Bible?

28 posted on 11/27/2006 10:26:23 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Note: Sell Diebold Stock.................NOW!!)
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Someone should just slip the cover of the Koran on a copy of the Constitution. Highly unlikely he's read either or could tell the difference.


30 posted on 11/27/2006 10:27:00 PM PST by Silly (Still being... Silly)
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'Fraid I've gotta ask... Will an Infidel be holding that Koran upon which el-Ellison places his hand to take the oath, or will it be the on-call Iman?


31 posted on 11/27/2006 10:33:41 PM PST by Diver Dave
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this is factually incorrect---no one has to swear an oath on the Bible. It is a tradition among most, but it is not required. They just have to swear to uphold the Constitution

To force an officeholder to swear an oath on the Bible is prohibited in the constitution, as that could be construed as a religious litmus test as to someone's eligibility for office.


34 posted on 11/27/2006 10:36:06 PM PST by ChurtleDawg (kill em all)
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The logical extension of your position is that only Christians should be elected to office. I don't buy that.

After thinking this over, it seems more appropriate for someone elected to federal office to put their hand on the Constitution and swear allegiance to it. That is what they are supposed to abide by, enforce and safeguard, isn't it? Not the Bible, the Koran, the Buddhist scrolls, or the flame of Zoroaster.


48 posted on 11/27/2006 11:23:58 PM PST by MadJack ("Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet." (Afghan proverb))
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I looked at this topic because the headline did not make sense. It is missing a comma and the word "decides."

I agree with Dennis. In fact, I love Dennis when he is on the subjects of faith and patriotism. His heart is in the right place.

If Keith Ellison swears on the Koran, he is swearing fidelity to jihad, ergo, he is not needed or wanted in the U.S. Congress. Buh-bye.


49 posted on 11/27/2006 11:28:20 PM PST by La Enchiladita (People get ready . . .)
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