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Lockyer says new sex-offender law should be retroactive { Jessica's Law }
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 11/27/6 | Bob Egelko

Posted on 11/27/2006 2:59:40 PM PST by SmithL

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1 posted on 11/27/2006 2:59:43 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Is that even legal?


2 posted on 11/27/2006 3:00:47 PM PST by L98Fiero (Built to please and raised to rock.)
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To: SmithL

This is what we call "Putting a bullet in the head of the voter's will".

Lockyer wants to kill the proposition, without opposing it. He is giving the court a chance to kill it, then he will say he was trying to protect it.

Just watch.


3 posted on 11/27/2006 3:03:57 PM PST by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: L98Fiero

Whether or not the law is applied retroactively, it's a Constitutionally-prohibeted bill of attainder. The only Constitutionally-valid approach is to add such restrictions to the offender's sentence (which must be done explicitly for each case by the judge, when the sentence is imposed, not afterward.)


4 posted on 11/27/2006 3:05:32 PM PST by sourcery
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To: SmithL
More evidence Bill Lockyer's political career should be ended ASAP.

I hope the Dems run him for Governor. He would make John Kerry look like a masterful candidate.
5 posted on 11/27/2006 3:06:08 PM PST by AVNevis (In memory of Emily Keyes (1990-2006))
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To: L98Fiero

If I'm reading Wikipedia correctly (and their info is correct), this may indeed be legal:

"...A current U.S. law that definitely has an ex post facto effect is the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006. This law, which imposes new registration requirements on convicted sex offenders, gives the U.S. Attorney General the authority to apply the law retroactively. [1] However, the U.S. Supreme Court has already ruled in Smith v. Doe (2003) that forcing sex offenders to register their whereabouts at regular intervals, and the posting of personal information about them on the Internet, does not violate the constitutional prohibition against ex post facto laws, because compulsory registration of offenders who completed their sentences before new laws requiring compliance went into effect does not constitute a punishment. [2]"


6 posted on 11/27/2006 3:06:54 PM PST by DemforBush
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To: SmithL

I'm not for sex offenders, but making a law that impacts punishment on those who were never given that as punishment is wrong.

I believe that is called an "ex post facto" law and is generally illegal.


7 posted on 11/27/2006 3:08:01 PM PST by ConservativeMind
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Ex post facto law has been illegal in Common Law ever since Magna Carta.

But now that Harvard Law School has decided to cut back on teaching first year law students about Common Law, I wonder how much longer we will enjoy this basic right.


8 posted on 11/27/2006 3:11:35 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: sourcery
Actually, the bill of pains and penalties should cover any lifetime requirement the attains to lose of life, liberty or property for felons with time already served. I wonder why no one's challenged it on those grounds.

9 posted on 11/27/2006 3:14:22 PM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Paloma_55
Lockyer wants to kill the proposition, without opposing it.

BINGO!

10 posted on 11/27/2006 3:15:03 PM PST by SmithL (Where are we going? . . . . And why are we in this handbasket????)
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To: L98Fiero

I think they could bar past sex offenders from moving into the forbidden zone, but Constitutionally they couldn't force a pervert currently living there to move.


11 posted on 11/27/2006 3:15:40 PM PST by GrandEagle
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To: SmithL
Bill Lockyer, I think really doesn't care as long as his name "Bill Lockyer" is in the press.
12 posted on 11/27/2006 3:16:24 PM PST by steveo (ADVERTISEMENT)
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To: AVNevis

He just swapped jobs and won the office of State Treasurer. Of course, whomever the rodents put up in 2010 will win, thanks to Ah-nold the RINO (and it'll probably be Aztlan Tony Villar, Alcalde de Los Angeles).


13 posted on 11/27/2006 3:16:41 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: AVNevis
More evidence Bill Lockyer's political career should be ended ASAP.

Lockyer is one of the very few men over whom Jerry Brown will be an improvement. ;)

14 posted on 11/27/2006 3:17:48 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: DemforBush
It does not constitute a punishment?? How about if the person refuses to submit to registering? There would be criminal sanctions and these would be punishment.

As despicable as this crime is, there should be no abridgement of our legal protections under the Constitution and Common Law.

This will appear before SCOTUS again when a convicted sex offender. who has completed his sentence, refuses to register. The Court will have to go beyond Smith v Doe and ask if sanctions against refusers are an example of enforcing an ex post facto law.

15 posted on 11/27/2006 3:19:41 PM PST by xkaydet65
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To: L98Fiero

100% unconstitutional.


16 posted on 11/27/2006 3:20:28 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (`)
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To: Paloma_55

Bingo. Exactly.

For the record, Lockyer is a cross-dresser.


17 posted on 11/27/2006 3:20:30 PM PST by ElkGroveDan ( What does it profit a man to gain the whole world but lose his own soul?)
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To: DemforBush

Telling people where they may live, based on their sex-offender status, constitutes a punishment. If applied retroactively, it's ex post facto.


18 posted on 11/27/2006 3:25:03 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (`)
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To: xkaydet65

It seems more than a little crazy to me as well, though I'm anything but a legal expert.


19 posted on 11/27/2006 3:27:21 PM PST by DemforBush
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To: ElkGroveDan

No fooling?


20 posted on 11/27/2006 3:34:02 PM PST by SmithL (Where are we going? . . . . And why are we in this handbasket????)
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