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Give Thanks To Who? New US Coins Hide "In God We Trust"
Raiders News Network ^ | Nov 22nd, 2006 | Jet in Columbus

Posted on 11/26/2006 9:44:48 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed

Remember the Eisenhower Dollar? Now that was a dollar’s dollar. It was twice as big as a quarter and felt heavier than it really was and when you had one in your pocket, you knew it was there. One of the reasons that later dollar-coin attempts failed was that their size shrank to smaller than a 50-cent piece. This caused the Susan B. Anthony coin to be nicknamed the “Carter Quarter” because so many people were spending them as 25-cent pieces by mistake.

Despite past failures, the U.S. Mint announced at a ceremony at The Smithsonian Institution on Monday that they would try again. They will begin circulating a new dollar coin on February 15, 2007. It will still be the same size as the 1979 Susan B. Anthony and the 2000-2002 Sacajawea. The coin will also be made of the same gold colored material as the Sacajawea with an additonal compound added to the metal to keep it from tarnishing as fast as its predecessor did.

The new dollars are set to feature the past Presidents of the United States in order from George Washington to Richard M. Nixon. Instead of a textured or ridged edge, the smooth rim will now hold such features as the mintmark, the date of striking, and the mottos “In God We Trust” and "E Pluribus Unum.” The design change is intended to allow space for larger portraits of the Presidents on the obverse side, and the Statue of Liberty on the reverse.

For the first time the coin will say “$1” instead of “One Dollar.”

The criteria for the presidents is that they must have been dead two years to be featured, so the current list will end at Richard M. Nixon. Grover Cleveland will actually be featured on two different coins because he held office in two non-consecutive terms.

The coins will be distributed every three months starting next year with Washington. Despite the fact that the mint has a three-and-a-half year stockpile of over $200 million worth of the Sacajawea coins, political pressure will force them to continue minting the Sacajawea coins at the same time.

The current distribution schedule is for each coin to be circulated for three months, and then the next will appear in sequence as follows:

2007

George Washington John Adams Thomas Jefferson James Madison

2008

James Monroe John Quincy Adams Andrew Jackson Martin Van Buren

2009

William Henry Harrison John Tyler James K. Polk Zachary Taylor

2010

Millard Fillmore Franklin Pierce James Buchanon Abraham Lincoln

2011

Andrew Johnson Ulysses S. Grant Rutherford B. Hayes James A. Garfield

2012

Chester A. Arthur Grover Cleveland Benjamin Harrison Grover Cleveland

2013

William McKinley Theodore Roosevelt William H. Taft Woodrow Wilson

2014

Warren Harding Calvin Coolidge Herbert Hoover Franklin D. Roosevelt

2015

Harry S. Truman Dwight D. Eisenhower John F. Kennedy Lyndon B. Johnson

2016

Richard M. Nixon

The paper U.S. dollar bill has always been a problem for the mint. A coin is more durable and lasts longer, making it more cost effective. However since the demise of the Eisenhower Dollar coin, the public has mostly rejected all of its smaller replacements. It is speculated that replacing the dollar bill with a coin could save the U.S. $500 million annually in printing costs, not counting the periodic security redesigns. Canada and various European countries have successfully eliminated their basic currency paper notes, but resistance is strong against such a move by the United States. An additional factor in the opposition of a dollar coin replacing the paper bill is that a stack of $100 in “singles” is relatively light, compared to a pocket weighed down by the same amount of coins.

Some have speculated that the new coins were intentionally designed to go directly into collections, instead of everyday commerce, making the U.S. dollar more scarce and thus more valuable. Other studies have shown that the only way the American public would accept dollar coins is if the paper currency were completely taken out of circulation.

The timing would seem to indicate that the announcement was held up until after the November 2006 elections. The religious right wing of the Republican Party is sure to be outraged when they notice that “In God We Trust,” while still on the coin, is no longer featured prominently.

In a side announcement, there will also be a release of 24-karat $10 pieces featuring the First Ladies at the end of 2007, and also the penny will be redesigned four times in 2009 to honor Abraham Lincoln.


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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Commemoratives are legal tender.
Only a few have ever been released at face value however.
(Unsold Isabella quarters were dumped into circulation in 1893 for example.
The State Quarters are circulating commemoratives.)
And many early commemoratives were put in circulation during the Depression when their owners were short of cash.
If the price of gold and silver ever fell below face value, you would see them circulate.


41 posted on 11/27/2006 1:11:04 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Go see what they make at the US mint webpage. These are investment coins, although they are easy to turn back into cash. Congress authorized the sale of $50 gold bullion American Eagle coins back in 1986. They list from $885 down to $85. They also have plantinum and silver American Eagles.

The $50 American Buffalo 24 K gold coins authorized in 2005 are really nice for $800. There is also a SF mint $5 gold coin for $255


42 posted on 11/27/2006 1:16:46 AM PST by Kirkwood
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To: Kirkwood

Not here in Hawaii.


43 posted on 11/27/2006 1:40:00 AM PST by Ruth A. (we might as well fight in the first ditch as the last)
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To: sittnick
I imagine that by 2016, Ford, Carter, Reagan, and possibly George the Elder will be available under the guidelines. But yes, it looks like they don't want to skip any to get Reagan in.

In the interest of historical accuracy, perhaps they could include an arrangement of random flames, fire and brimstone surrounding Jimmah's image?
44 posted on 11/27/2006 2:58:06 AM PST by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
The workaround was to set the price per gallon to half of the sales price, then multiply the displayed total price by 2 to get the amount you owed the gas station.

I remember that some stations in KC changed their pumps so that they metered gasoline by the quart, rather than by the gallon. And one enterprising station decided to try selling gasoline by the liter... That lasted less than a week!

Mark

45 posted on 11/27/2006 3:14:59 AM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

I'd guess those would be bullion pieces, like the Eagles and gold Buffalos. If they were made as currency they would be smaller than dimes.


46 posted on 11/27/2006 3:22:55 AM PST by shekkian
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To: DannyTN

i suppose they could, probably easier to get rid of, but it seems like it would be a pain in the butt.


47 posted on 11/27/2006 4:01:16 AM PST by stylin19a ("Klaatu Barada Nikto")
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To: Beelzebubba
Of course we could drop the $1 and $2 bills, and let there be overlap with both $5 bill and coin.

Dropping the $1 bill sounds good to me, but I’d like the $2 bill to start circulating again, and the nickel to hang around for a few more years. A penny isn’t worth bending over to pick up.

48 posted on 11/27/2006 4:08:08 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Liberty Valance

How quaint.

Reminds me of the only OTHER coin I've seen that uses that kind of edge-stamping. Guess what country it is that uses that style?

MEXICO!

49 posted on 11/27/2006 4:22:12 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: mkjessup
In the interest of historical accuracy, perhaps they could include an arrangement of random flames, fire and brimstone surrounding Jimmah's image?

Actually, since the dollar bill in Jimmy's time was sometimes referred to as "The J.C. Penny" (due to lost value from inflation) I thought it might be nice to make the Jimmy Carter dollar coin the same weight and size as a penny, and make it worth as much.
50 posted on 11/27/2006 5:15:40 AM PST by sittnick (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Cobra64
You let the machine do the rounding, just as calculators do.

I'm sure that NCR, Casio and any other cash register companies would like that plan! When I worked at Pizza Hut back in the early '80's, I ignored the stupid readout and counted change back to the customer properly. The adults knew what I was doing, the other adolescents didn't quite get it.
51 posted on 11/27/2006 5:18:15 AM PST by sittnick (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: trumandogz
William Henry Harrison gets a coin but Reagan does not!

There are still a couple of living ex-presidents who are ahead of him in the order. By 2016 it is probable one or both would be dead for at least two years. It wouldn't surprise me if 1-4 ex-presidents get added to the list for 2016.

52 posted on 11/27/2006 5:26:29 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Karl Rove isn't magnificent.)
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To: sittnick
>>The folks at the Taco Bell who can barely give change when the register tells them the amount will have a devil of a time rounding (in either direction) with the elimination of pennies.

There is no rounding involved. Prices would be in tenth dollars, as would totals. Cash registers already do the rounding to the nearest cent for sales tax purposes. Eliminating a digit would AID the slower cashiers.

>>Convenience stores and some other places use penny cups, that work out well.

No, that is the evidence that pennies are of so little value, they are a waste of time.

>>I'll believe that a penny is insignificant when gas stations no longer charge to the tenth of a penny.

They post the price in tenths, but you are always charged by rounding to the nearest penny. Under a properly reformed system, you would be charged for your ~$50 tank to the nearest tenth. So what? When a penny of gas moves your 25 mpg car by 500 feet, it's time to loosen up.

The nickle was worth what the half cent was worth when it was eliminated. Or do you miss that, too, because the penny is just too darn valuable?
53 posted on 11/27/2006 7:05:16 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Beelzebubba

Would you rather have 50 $1 bills in your pocket or 50 $1 coins?

So stupid and such a waste.


54 posted on 11/27/2006 7:07:13 AM PST by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: sittnick

I'm sure that NCR, Casio and any other cash register companies would like that plan!



What makes you think that cash registers don't already round to the nearest cent?


55 posted on 11/27/2006 7:09:58 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Kirkwood

"Parking meters are long gone in many cities."

Really? Tell that to Chicago.


56 posted on 11/27/2006 7:11:22 AM PST by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: toddlintown
Would you rather have 50 $1 bills in your pocket or 50 $1 coins?

So stupid and such a waste.


Both are stupid. I'm not a stripper or a valet parking attendant. I'd rather have two twenties, and two $5 coins.

Back to a real world example: You have $36.94 in your pocket (under the silly old penny system we have now.) If you have perfectly arranged to have the minimum possible number of coins and bills, you still have 9 coins and 7 bills. In the real world of making purchases and change, you'd be wasting lots of time and effort (and annoying people in line behind you) to try to keep such an optimal distribution.

Now, under my system (coins are .10 .50 $1 $5) I'd have 5 coins and 7 bills, or or 6 coins and 6 bills, or even just 13 coins (only 4 different types.) Unless I need something more than the price of lunch, I'm reaching into one pocket, and paying, getting change in a useful form.

The big difference is when you make several transactions.

Let's say we each start with a $100 in our pockets. Then, we make several purchases: $2.78/$2.8 coffee, $1.07/$1.1 newspaper, $11.36/$11.4 lunch, $31.14/$31.1 DVD, $22.55/$22.6 dinner.

Now, if my time is valuable under the current system, I don't dig into my coin pocket for each purchase, like a poky old man. I pull out the bills, and stuff the change in my pocket for a later chore. During the day, I get change of .22 (4 coins), .93 (8 coins), .64 (7 coins), .86 (6 coins), and .45 (3 coins). That's 28 coins, assuming you don't ferret in your pocket to spend some of these for subsequent transactions.

Under my system, the number of coins you get in change if you don't spend any is actually greater (due to the example I picked.) But the big difference is that it is easy to reach in the pocket, and choose between only two coin types to make exact change the the last three transactions. Better still, if I am using a dollar coin (now three types in my pocket, unlike your 4 types) I can sometimes avoid pulling out my wallet. If I add a $5 coin, I rarely need to pull out the wallet, making me faster still.

Never mind that the line moves faster because of the efficiency of the system.
57 posted on 11/27/2006 7:35:46 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Beelzebubba

"the efficiency of the system"

You have too much free time.


58 posted on 11/27/2006 7:49:51 AM PST by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: Beelzebubba

They don't round to the nearest dime. Gee you want to get rid of nickles, too? I think you are going to have to found your own country. The difference between the 1/2 penny and the penny and nickle is that these are useful measurements to have in any decimal system. One big gripe that I would have about dollar coins (which are worth what quarters were in the '70s) is that dollars are whole numbers (whereas non-dollar coins are fractions of a dollar), and fit in very neatly in the cash drawer with fives, tens and twenties. You might think that people are happy to move over the decimal point. They are not. I love to stump my Canadian friends by asking them what a decimeter is. They cannot remember if it is a tenth of a meter, or ten meters. It is never used. Hence, the too small centimeter and the too large meter wind up doing double and triple duty. (Moreover, the mind does not visualize tenths as easily as quarters or eights).

Anyway, this ultimately comes down to a matter of opinion, and for now, the over-whelming opinion is for dollar bills, nickles and even pennies. By all means, try to change minds. But please, do not support a measure that would "force acceptance" in this democratic Republic. Jimmy Carter tried to do that with metric and the results were awful. (The results of a half-successful coercion in Canada are very awful).


59 posted on 11/27/2006 7:55:01 AM PST by sittnick (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Ruth A.

"Not here in Hawaii."

???
I have no idea what this means.


60 posted on 11/27/2006 8:27:44 AM PST by Kirkwood
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