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I don't have an answer to the solution of this war. But I do know that the Iraqi insurgents are not the only enemy we face. Until we agree as a nation to what the rules of engagement are, we'll face these same problems we're having in Iraq anywhere we'd fight. Now you say that proves your point, so we sholud get out of Iraq and let the various factions kill each other but not us. Well, Dave, I'm here to tell you, they'll know a win when they see one, both the Terrorists and the Big Three, and we'll be in even worse shape if that happens. At least in Iraq we still have a killing zone where we can draw the flies to us there, rather than here.

We agree on everything pretty much, though I'd be more inclined to do a pull back to the Kurdish region (cut&run???), let the shia/sunni/insurgents/tribal nuts expend their revenge. It wouldn't take long and the mop up would be swift and easy. The Kurds are the only stable entity in Iraq, play on it.

The only thing I can add, and I see it said alot so your not alone, the "fighting them there, so we don't fight them here", just isn't a long term strategy. Our Country IS NOT secure, by any stretch of the imagination. Unless we are willing to launch total devastation on the muslims at large, we are not going to kill enough of them in Iraq to prevent attacks here.

While doing our thing in Iraq, Somalia has fallen, (remember the warlords that made bubba flinch?), they are no more. Other regions of Africa are going to be subjected to Islam sooner rather than later. S. America is well on it's way. We are not stopping this spread by being in Iraq. I believe we have fallen right into their hands. The GWOT is in Iraq, Al Q and believers are spreading, the very thing the GWOT was to stop.

Further, have you looked at the stats, the sheer numbers, of those we are allowing LEGALLY to enter this Country? Not to mention the "undocumented" millions. Nothing is stopping them from waltzing across our southern border, yesterday, today or tomorrow.

With the GWOT, I was hoping for an effort to slow/stop this spread of Islam. I didn't expect perfection, but I didn't expect it to be a WOsD redux either. I didn't expect to have them allowed to enter this Country in unfriggingbelievable numbers since 9/11. I also didn't expect the WH to leave this Country unsecured post 9/11.

The MSM be damned. The RATs be damned. Your mileage may vary, but thanks for the reasoned approach Dave. Blackbird.