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An air campaign is like doing something half ass. My opinion if your going to do it do it right.

You gotta have some sense of urgency. Iran is developing nukes and meanwhile, killing our troops in Iraq, fomenting civil war in Lebanon and tinkering with wiping out Israel. How long do you want to wait in order to do a perfect job? If we wait and get blown up history will call our leaders full asses, that's for sure.

Islam is about territory. If you take territory you are winning, if you don’t you are losing.

This is the first time I hear that this is what Islam is about. What do you say to the Islam that's taking over Western Europe? Where is the territory involved?

After Iraq, we will never "invade" Iran. Even if we do, what do you suggest we do with the territory? How long do we occupy the territory? What do we do with the inhabitants? And last but not least, why can't we apply your principle to what we have now, Iraq?

The only thing left is that we have to stop being full asses and do what you call a half ass job. It's the only way given the shortage of time.

I actually think your argument has some merit. not because air power alone can get the job done; it can't. I say that as a retired airman.

Remember Operation Desert Fox? This was Clinton's bombing campaign against Saddam's Iraq for throwing the 1st group of UN inspectors out in 1998. Of course it happened right at the House impeachment vote (tail wags dog vigorously).

How much damage did it do? Not much, but I was in favor of it in the sense it was better then letting Saddam think he could just do whatever he pleased without any repercussions.

Perhaps we need to start a long road of lessons to Iran. Face it, since Jimmy Carter and 1979, we have proved again and again to them that we're wimps. Any air campaign would have to be full shock and awe, no pussyfooting.

We wouldn't win anything but time, though. Eventually we'll have to escalate our activity against them.

--- Islam and Territory

This civilization created one very important, fundamental rule about territory. Any territory that comes under Islamic rule cannot be de-Islamized. Even if at one time or another, the [non-Moslem] enemy takes over the territory that was under Islamic rule, it is considered to be perpetually Islamic.

This is why whenever you hear about the Arab/Israeli conflict, you hear - territory, territory, territory. There are other aspects to the conflict, but territory is highly important.

The Christian civilization has not only been seen as a religious opponent, but as a dam stopping Islam from achieving its final goal for which it was created.

Islam was created to be the army of God, the army of Allah. Every single Moslem is a soldier in this army. Every single Moslem that dies in fighting for the spread of Islam is a shaheed (martyr) no matter how he dies, because - and this is very important - this is an eternal word between the two civilizations. It's not a war that stops. This was is there because it was created by Allah. Islam must be the ruler. This is a war that will not end.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/abulkazem/face_of_islam.htm

”What do you say to the Islam that's taking over Western Europe? Where is the territory involved?”

I thought that was rather obvious to most freepers, Islam is taking Europe back.

What do we do with Iran once we take it? Make sure it doesn’t go back into the hands of Islam.

”It's (Massive bombing on Iraq and Syria) the only way given the shortage of time.”

I call that a desperate act that will just back fire in our face. Nixon did the same thing at the end of Vietnam; he did a huge bombing campaign which did nothing but force congress to pull the plug on the supplying the war effort, which created an almost panic removal from Vietnam. It was a huge mistake.

I still believe we have to reset the clock and the only way to do that is to get a bloody face.