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From Russia, minus love
The Age ^ | November 25, 2006 | Vanora Bennett

Posted on 11/24/2006 5:34:19 PM PST by A. Pole

IMAGINE you were a foreign power that wanted to get rid of a dissident who had set up home in London. Would you (a) push the troublemaker under a bus, (b) have him mown down by a hit-run driver, or (c) arrange for him to be poisoned while eating in a crowded restaurant?

If you wanted to make the death look natural, or just to keep things simple, you would presumably avoid the restaurant scenario. And yet, if many Russia-watchers are to be believed, the country's Federal Security Service (FSB) has carried out just such an assassination.

On November 1, Alexander Litvinenko, a 43-year-old Russian who used to work for the FSB — the post-Soviet version of the KGB — had breakfast with two Russian men, one a former KGB officer, at the Millennium hotel in Mayfair, then lunch at Itsu, a cheap and cheerful Japanese eatery in London, with an Italian defence consultant, Mario Scaramella. Litvinenko later claimed that Scaramella had shown him

a hit list featuring Litvinenko's name as well as that of murdered journalist Anna Politkovskaya.

By that evening, he was so ill he was taken to hospital. Doctors wasted 10 days trying to treat him for food poisoning. His condition deteriorated — hair falling out, difficulty speaking, white blood cells disappearing, unable to eat, even nourishment from a drip causing him to vomit.

It wasn't until earlier this week, after listening to their patient's pleas, that doctors said they were investigating the possibility of poisoning. Initially they suspected thallium, a tasteless, odourless killer used in rat poison until it was banned in the 1970s. By Thursday, however, with Litvinenko's condition deteriorating rapidly, a hospital spokesman said the medical team had ruled out thallium but was still unclear about the cause of his condition. A friend said the former spy had suffered a cardiac arrest and was on an artificial heart support machine. Litvinenko died yesterday, at 8.21am Melbourne time.

Litvinenko's friends in London have been quick to accuse the Kremlin of being behind this poisoning. They say Russia wanted to stop Litvinenko investigating the assassination last month of another high-profile critic of the Russian Government — his friend, the campaigning journalist Politkovskaya. They believe the Kremlin was also to blame for Politkovskaya being shot outside her Moscow apartment door.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: evilempire; litvinenko; london; poison; putin; russia; scaramella
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1 posted on 11/24/2006 5:34:22 PM PST by A. Pole
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To: A. Pole

Polonium-210 [the most recent diagnosis as per poison used] is available in the corner mom and pop stores, one presumes. Barbari sunt, barbarice egit. Not paricularly smart barbari, either.


2 posted on 11/24/2006 5:38:12 PM PST by GSlob
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To: A. Pole
Nukes or not. Russia should start being viewed as a 'rogue state'. The Euros wont go along with it as long as Gazprom has them by the balls though.
3 posted on 11/24/2006 5:38:41 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; arete; ...
It is quite obvious that smart assasins would not use such stupid method and would pick more valuable target.

For the conspiracy theorists: read the Possessed (or Devils) by Dostoevsky, you have such a clumsy murder (of Shatov) explained there.

4 posted on 11/24/2006 5:40:52 PM PST by A. Pole ("Victorious warriors win first & then go to war,while defeated warriors go to war &then seek to win")
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To: kinoxi
Russia should start being viewed as a 'rogue state'.

This might be the real objective of this death. Do you think that Putin is really so stupid as to order something bizarre like that at the time of EU/Russia meeting?

5 posted on 11/24/2006 5:42:55 PM PST by A. Pole ("Victorious warriors win first & then go to war,while defeated warriors go to war &then seek to win")
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To: A. Pole
If you wanted to make the death look natural, or just to keep things simple, you would presumably avoid the restaurant scenario.

If you wanted the death to be obviously contrived and horrible so as to act as a warning to others, you'd opt for the restaurant scenario. Possibly the author does not remember the "Cold" War. It was always this nasty.

6 posted on 11/24/2006 5:42:56 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: A. Pole

I would presume that one who signs on with the KGB/FSB in the first place knows the way they play. Only in America are 'leakers' feted on the media and given book deals; in the rest of the world, well, Polonium happens.


7 posted on 11/24/2006 5:43:45 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, ATF and DEA)
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To: A. Pole

Werent we led to believe Russia had gone through this amazing transformation to a gentler kinder totalitarinism?


8 posted on 11/24/2006 5:44:12 PM PST by claptrap (We've found a Witch can we burn her?)
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To: A. Pole

Do you think Putin is innocent here?


9 posted on 11/24/2006 5:44:40 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi
Do you think Putin is innocent here?

I think that he is way too smart to do such thing.

10 posted on 11/24/2006 5:45:55 PM PST by A. Pole ("Victorious warriors win first & then go to war,while defeated warriors go to war &then seek to win")
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To: A. Pole
That's interesting. I disagree, but find it interesting. The consolidation of power has been clear for years. These deaths (plural) are perfectly in line with the tyrannical actions displayed previously (and continuously) by this regime.
11 posted on 11/24/2006 5:49:43 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: A. Pole
I think that he is way too smart to do such thing.

Eh...a public assassination can be a tool of diplomacy if you're of a certain mindset. Per Machiavelli it's best to be loved, but if you can't be loved, then being feared also works.

12 posted on 11/24/2006 5:54:20 PM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Billthedrill

Exactly. The author obviously doesn't understand the way Russian operatives operate. They'd slit your throat right in front of your Momma, and make polite conversation with her while doing it too.


13 posted on 11/24/2006 5:55:31 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: A. Pole
And yet, if many Russia-watchers are to be believed, the country's Federal Security Service (FSB) has carried out just such an assassination.

True Russia watchers would be well aware the FSB does not operate outside of Russia. That is the function of the SVR.
14 posted on 11/24/2006 5:56:08 PM PST by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: Oberon
Per Machiavelli it's best to be loved, but if you can't be loved, then being feared also works.

Machiavelli would not recommend cowardly and idiotic methods. He warned that the worst for the ruler is to be despised.

Do you think that Kennedy gained much by trying to poison Castro?

15 posted on 11/24/2006 5:59:23 PM PST by A. Pole ("Victorious warriors win first & then go to war,while defeated warriors go to war &then seek to win")
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To: GarySpFc
True Russia watchers would be well aware the FSB does not operate outside of Russia. That is the function of the SVR.

You cannot argue with paranoiacs.

16 posted on 11/24/2006 6:00:07 PM PST by A. Pole ("Victorious warriors win first & then go to war,while defeated warriors go to war &then seek to win")
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To: A. Pole
How about this article?

US Department of State seriously interested in Russian oligarch in disgrace, Boris Berezovsky (Assassination of Paul Klebnikov, Forbes Russia Editor)

The former Russian oligarch, who currently resides in England, is suspected to be involved in the assassination of Forbes Russia editor


Russian oligarch in disgrace, Boris Berezovsky, may soon face severe problems. The US State Department is interested in Mr. Berezovsky's activities: the oligarch found himself involved in the case of Paul Klebnikov, a journalist of the US origin, editor of Forbes Russia. Mr. Berezovsky did not even expect that events would take such a turn for him.

Boris Berezovsky and Paul Klebnikov used to have something in common. Paul Klebnikov wrote an article about Berezovsky in the original English version of the magazine, in which he accused the erstwhile Kremlin favorite of many sins, including the implication in the murder of a well-known Russian journalist, Vlad Listyev. Boris Berezovsky sued Forbes in response – he decided to take a legal action against the world-known magazine in England. The magazine eventually had to publish apologies.

This is an excerpt. Please read the rest of the article.
17 posted on 11/24/2006 6:04:56 PM PST by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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LOL - I can see that you remember. And after all, what's to stop them? Unless they're caught in the act it's a perfect crime. It is, of course, possible for a somebody to defect and confess publicly, but that's precisely what this sort of action deters. These guys have been playing this game for a very long time and they were always good at it.


18 posted on 11/24/2006 6:05:35 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: A. Pole
Machiavelli would not recommend cowardly and idiotic methods.

Well, no. But if it had looked like an accident, then...well...it would have looked like an accident, if you know what I mean.

You could be right. The Russians could always play chess.

19 posted on 11/24/2006 6:06:01 PM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: A. Pole
You cannot argue with paranoiacs.

Hey! Who are you calling a paranoiac? Who have you be talking to?

Did my wife talk to you?!?

20 posted on 11/24/2006 6:07:14 PM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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