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Turkey: Sales of Pope Murder Book Soar Ahead of Benedict XVI's Visit
ADNKI ^ | November 23, 2006 | Vah/Aki

Posted on 11/24/2006 7:30:34 AM PST by presidio9

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To: My Favorite Headache
Example, when I heard the Pope say executing Saddam is wrong and shouldn't be done

that wasn't the pope! - that was cardinal Martino. Thank the Lord that Benedict XVI is pope and not Martino.

41 posted on 11/24/2006 9:44:39 AM PST by Nihil Obstat (viva il papa - be not afraid)
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To: presidio9
Is it your contention that some entities are too pious/special/important that they can not be cast as the villain in a work of fiction?

If so, what else would you put in that category as well as your precious opus dei?

Catholic priests perhaps?

42 posted on 11/24/2006 10:11:51 AM PST by Churchillspirit (We are all foot soldiers in this War On Terror.)
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To: Churchillspirit

I believe he said it was "too laughable" to put OD as the assassin. Not to "pious/special/important."

But I beleve there are people or entities that are too pious/special/important to be cast as villians. I could start with my mom and end with God.

I imagine you would have your list too.


43 posted on 11/24/2006 10:20:58 AM PST by D-fendr
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To: D-fendr
Actually I do not have such a list, but if I did no entity connected with the catholic church (or any other religion for that matter) would be on it.
44 posted on 11/24/2006 10:27:17 AM PST by Churchillspirit (We are all foot soldiers in this War On Terror.)
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To: Churchillspirit

Not even God?


45 posted on 11/24/2006 2:41:49 PM PST by D-fendr
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To: Churchillspirit
Is it your contention that some entities are too pious/special/important that they can not be cast as the villain in a work of fiction?

I think it's slanderous to take real organizations or real persons and imply that they do all sorts of unsavory things they don't really do.

Mind if we write a "work of fiction" that describes you, by name, as a murderer?

46 posted on 11/24/2006 3:44:58 PM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: My Favorite Headache
"Knowing what the Vatican turned their heads to in WW2 and what was happening with Jews..I mean there is only so much one can take hearing in the way of excuses and theology."

The vatican saved hundreds of thousands of Jews, they just weren't vocal about it. They never turned away from anyone. Many were martyred for it, over 800 priests were put to death, over 1200 churches monastaries were raised to the ground.

You should look a little deeper as to what when on at that time, and don't settle for what Catholic haters say. Pope Pius did as much as he could, and that was alot. What's really shamefull is he never got any credit for it, especially in the secular world. The personal attacks he endured must have been heartbreaking, especially when you realize all he did, and how he outsmarted Hitler. Do yourself a favor, and seek out the truth. You'll be glad you did.

Does the Vatican do stupid things? Of course.

When the Pope kissed the Koran and called it a "holy book", I wanted to puke. Obviously he never read it.

47 posted on 11/24/2006 8:41:32 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: presidio9

Nice hat!


48 posted on 11/24/2006 8:44:57 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: D-fendr
Yes, God. But no fallible mortal.
49 posted on 11/25/2006 11:24:03 AM PST by Churchillspirit (We are all foot soldiers in this War On Terror.)
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To: Campion
Mind if we write "work of fiction" that describes you, by name, as a murderer?

Feel free! As long as it is fiction of course.

That is the point I have been trying to make on this thread.

50 posted on 11/25/2006 11:35:08 AM PST by Churchillspirit (We are all foot soldiers in this War On Terror.)
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To: presidio9
May God protect him, and let his body guards be vigilant. Doubt Turkey would let anything happen, but you never know.
51 posted on 11/25/2006 2:05:46 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Churchillspirit
Feel free! As long as it is fiction of course.

I don't think you'd appreciate it much, especially when the hate mail started arriving, from people who think along the lines of, "Well, it's fiction, but where there's smoke there's probably fire, so Churchillspirit probably is a murderer, or at least a really bad guy."

52 posted on 11/25/2006 2:08:39 PM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: presidio9
Here we see a further example of how Dan Brown's idiotic soccer mom soap opera was dangerous in its own way: Only one of its readers would possibly think to include Opus Dei in an assassination plot.

Call me old fashioned, but I would have picked the Jesuits if I was writing a horid piece of pulp fiction about the death of the Pope.

53 posted on 11/25/2006 2:08:44 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Campion
You are right. I would not appreciate it very much is people started calling me a really bad guy

I'm a female!

LOL!!

FRegards,

54 posted on 11/25/2006 3:27:46 PM PST by Churchillspirit (We are all foot soldiers in this War On Terror.)
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To: Churchillspirit

Well, that's a good start..


55 posted on 11/25/2006 10:49:31 PM PST by D-fendr
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To: Churchillspirit
If so, what else would you put in that category as well as your precious opus dei?

Catholic priests perhaps?

I'm still waiting to hear from you what you know about Opus Dei. You chose to start an argument from a position of ignorance (never a good idea), not me. My original point remains that only someone who read that stupid book would think to cast an obscure service organization into a a conspiracy. You're just too dumb to understand that.

While I'm waiting I'll address your suggest that Catholic priests make compelling villains. I'd agree that they do, because the reality is of course exactly the opposite. But, again, the average person is a lot more familiar with Catholic priests, and individual characters are a lot more flexible than organizations. Obviously one can incorporate anything they want into a fictional work, but if you knew anything at all about Opus Dei, you'd know why it doesn't make a lot of sense. And that's why its pretty clear that the author is getting his information from Dan Brown, who also was too lazy to do his research.

56 posted on 11/27/2006 6:52:00 AM PST by presidio9 (Tagline Censored)
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To: redgolum
Call me old fashioned, but I would have picked the Jesuits if I was writing a horid piece of pulp fiction about the death of the Pope.

I'd agree with you there. Churchillspirit was trolling and just too dense to get my initial point: Not that Opus Dei is above reproach, just that they are a poor choice.

57 posted on 11/27/2006 7:04:51 AM PST by presidio9 (Tagline Censored)
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To: presidio9
There you go again!

Still rushing to the defense of your precious Opus Dei.

Opus Dei . - work of God. A sect of the Roman Catholic church created by a human for the benefit of other humans, putting God in the center of our daily lives. Very laudable, but not infallible.

Of course, according to you, I am just too dense to see things your way - along with all the soccer moms and millions of others who read Dan Brown's books.

BTW Mr Brown consulted five current and former members of Opus Dei before writing his book. What is your claim to fame in this connection?

58 posted on 11/27/2006 8:25:13 AM PST by Churchillspirit (We are all foot soldiers in this War On Terror.)
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To: Churchillspirit
Still rushing to the defense of your precious Opus Dei.

There you go again missing the point. The original point was that Opus Dei was a poor choice for a fictional conspiracy, which only someone who had read the da Vinci Code would have made. As another reader pointed out, the Jesuits, OTOH, would have been a logical choice. At no time did I defend any organization. I realize that you have wood for an argument, but if you are too stupid to understand this concept then I really can't help you.

59 posted on 11/27/2006 9:28:43 AM PST by presidio9 (Tagline Censored)
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60 posted on 11/27/2006 9:35:38 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (`)
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