Posted on 11/24/2006 7:30:34 AM PST by presidio9
that wasn't the pope! - that was cardinal Martino. Thank the Lord that Benedict XVI is pope and not Martino.
If so, what else would you put in that category as well as your precious opus dei?
Catholic priests perhaps?
I believe he said it was "too laughable" to put OD as the assassin. Not to "pious/special/important."
But I beleve there are people or entities that are too pious/special/important to be cast as villians. I could start with my mom and end with God.
I imagine you would have your list too.
Not even God?
I think it's slanderous to take real organizations or real persons and imply that they do all sorts of unsavory things they don't really do.
Mind if we write a "work of fiction" that describes you, by name, as a murderer?
The vatican saved hundreds of thousands of Jews, they just weren't vocal about it. They never turned away from anyone. Many were martyred for it, over 800 priests were put to death, over 1200 churches monastaries were raised to the ground.
You should look a little deeper as to what when on at that time, and don't settle for what Catholic haters say. Pope Pius did as much as he could, and that was alot. What's really shamefull is he never got any credit for it, especially in the secular world. The personal attacks he endured must have been heartbreaking, especially when you realize all he did, and how he outsmarted Hitler. Do yourself a favor, and seek out the truth. You'll be glad you did.
Does the Vatican do stupid things? Of course.
When the Pope kissed the Koran and called it a "holy book", I wanted to puke. Obviously he never read it.
Nice hat!
Feel free! As long as it is fiction of course.
That is the point I have been trying to make on this thread.
I don't think you'd appreciate it much, especially when the hate mail started arriving, from people who think along the lines of, "Well, it's fiction, but where there's smoke there's probably fire, so Churchillspirit probably is a murderer, or at least a really bad guy."
Call me old fashioned, but I would have picked the Jesuits if I was writing a horid piece of pulp fiction about the death of the Pope.
I'm a female!
LOL!!
FRegards,
Well, that's a good start..
Catholic priests perhaps?
I'm still waiting to hear from you what you know about Opus Dei. You chose to start an argument from a position of ignorance (never a good idea), not me. My original point remains that only someone who read that stupid book would think to cast an obscure service organization into a a conspiracy. You're just too dumb to understand that.
While I'm waiting I'll address your suggest that Catholic priests make compelling villains. I'd agree that they do, because the reality is of course exactly the opposite. But, again, the average person is a lot more familiar with Catholic priests, and individual characters are a lot more flexible than organizations. Obviously one can incorporate anything they want into a fictional work, but if you knew anything at all about Opus Dei, you'd know why it doesn't make a lot of sense. And that's why its pretty clear that the author is getting his information from Dan Brown, who also was too lazy to do his research.
I'd agree with you there. Churchillspirit was trolling and just too dense to get my initial point: Not that Opus Dei is above reproach, just that they are a poor choice.
Still rushing to the defense of your precious Opus Dei.
Opus Dei . - work of God. A sect of the Roman Catholic church created by a human for the benefit of other humans, putting God in the center of our daily lives. Very laudable, but not infallible.
Of course, according to you, I am just too dense to see things your way - along with all the soccer moms and millions of others who read Dan Brown's books.
BTW Mr Brown consulted five current and former members of Opus Dei before writing his book. What is your claim to fame in this connection?
There you go again missing the point. The original point was that Opus Dei was a poor choice for a fictional conspiracy, which only someone who had read the da Vinci Code would have made. As another reader pointed out, the Jesuits, OTOH, would have been a logical choice. At no time did I defend any organization. I realize that you have wood for an argument, but if you are too stupid to understand this concept then I really can't help you.
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