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UK: Minister furious over £20bn bill for Eurofighter
The Telegraph ^ | 11/24/06 | Neil Tweedie

Posted on 11/23/2006 8:42:13 PM PST by bruinbirdman

The Government threw down the gauntlet to the makers of the Eurofighter yesterday, warning that it would no longer tolerate industrial inefficiencies that had effectively turned the project into a "charity".


The cost of a single Eurofighter: £66.7 million

The attack came as new figures suggested that the cost of buying 232 Eurofighters for the RAF is set to top £20 billion — making it far and away the most costly weapons project ever undertaken by Britain.

Figures released by the National Audit Office, the official spending watchdog, put the current price of a single Eurofighter, known as Typhoon in the RAF, at £66.7 million. That compares to a forecast price tag in 2003 of £56.8 million.

In a press conference coinciding with the release of the NAO's annual report on major Ministry of Defence projects, Lord Drayson, the minister for defence procurement, criticised the four-nation European consortium, describing it as "not fit for purpose".

Ominously, he refused to confirm that the RAF would be allowed to buy the third and final batch of the 232 aircraft order, totalling 88 aircraft.

Loss of some or all of the "Tranche 3" aircraft would threaten hundreds of jobs at BAE plants in Lancashire.

"The current structure of the national collaboration and the industrial collaboration is not fit for purpose," said Lord Drayson, who criticised Eurofighter for charging too much for spares and the use of aircraft to test the new advanced air-to-air missile, Meteor.

The company, he said, had to be restructured if the RAF was to receive adequate support during the fighter's operational career.

Sir Peter Spencer, the civil servant in charge of procurement, was equally uncompromising, saying: "We are going to turn this charity into a business — and a cost-effective business.

"We are not prepared to pay inflated prices for risks we believe should be under the control of industry."

For the second year running the MoD has been allowed by Parliament to exclude crucial figures on the Eurofighter from the NAO report to protect its bargaining position with the consortium.

The most important is the "current forecast cost" of the entire project to the taxpayer. In 2003 it was £19.67 billion. Increases in labour costs and changes to software will easily take that figure higher if Tranche 3 is bought.

Military experts said the temptation for the Government to cut some or all of Tranche 3 must be enormous, given the pressures on the defence budget caused by the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The MoD has not yet signed the final contract committing itself to the purchase. Asked about Tranche 3, Lord Drayson said: "We are absolutely interested in negotiating."

Critics of Eurofighter-Typhoon argue that it is a Cold War relic that has consumed far too much of the MoD's scarce resources.

Conceived 20 years ago to combat agile Soviet fighters, the aircraft, made by Britain, Germany, Italy and Spain, is only now entering squadron service after delays and doubts over its future. The RAF wants to use it in Afghanistan next year.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: armsbuildup; ef2000; eurofighter; raf
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Eurofighter is to Airbus as ? is to charity.
1 posted on 11/23/2006 8:42:16 PM PST by bruinbirdman
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2 posted on 11/23/2006 8:48:38 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Karl Rove isn't magnificent.)
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The plane looks kind of "retro" to me for some reason.


3 posted on 11/23/2006 8:57:25 PM PST by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: bruinbirdman

20 years from drawing board to production?


4 posted on 11/23/2006 9:01:46 PM PST by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: bruinbirdman
£66.7 million

Wow! I know the F-22 is expensive, but it brings supercruise, stealth, and a myriad of real advances. The typhoon is basically a 4th gen plus aircraft.

Just for comparison, I recently attended a Super Hornet brief where the Boeing rep said that the delivery cost of AESA equipped model will be coming in just over $50 million. It isn't as manueverable as Typhoon and it is slow, but it is a truly multi-role fighter with Low Observability.

5 posted on 11/23/2006 9:02:14 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: cripplecreek

Think F-16 with canards and two engines. Doesn't look terribly stealthy either. How 90's is that?


6 posted on 11/23/2006 9:03:03 PM PST by Uriah_lost (We've got enough youth, how about a "fountain of smart")
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To: bruinbirdman

How many Europeans does it take to change a high tech halo light bulb?


7 posted on 11/23/2006 9:03:14 PM PST by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Oh Come on UK, take one up the @ for charity.

Thre are a lot of people depending on the revenue from these things. It's a economic bankruptcy fighter for all of Europe, and will keep welfare, health care, dissability, old age security, hookers for the disabled, and dhimmitude for Islamic immigrant Yout's who can't assimulate into western culture payments for years to come. It's the only major employer and revenue maker for the whole Europeon community. It even comes with a half tank of gas, and a spare propeller (for french models)


8 posted on 11/23/2006 9:05:54 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: cripplecreek

"The plane looks kind of "retro" to me for some reason."

At a cursory glance, it doesn't appear to have any stealth capabilities, just another hot performing thoroughbred for some jet jockey. We in the US did that for years. Eventually we got smart and made the planes almost invisible though fast and agile, yet still capable of carrying lots of armaments.

Europe is still in their penis worshipping mode, building new, next generation, thoroughbreds.


9 posted on 11/23/2006 9:10:18 PM PST by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: USNBandit

Wonder why Boeing doesn't upgun the SuperHornet's engines & also fit conformal fuel tanks?that would give it a real chance on the exports market.The Euros are planning to do the same to the Rafale & EF-2000 after 2010.


10 posted on 11/23/2006 9:13:49 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: cripplecreek
The plane looks kind of "retro" to me for some reason.

Kind of like a snap set toy?


11 posted on 11/23/2006 9:14:02 PM PST by phantomworker (If you travel far enough, one day you will recognize yourself coming down the road to meet yourself.)
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To: bruinbirdman

LOL it reminded me of those plastic model toys @ Walmart


12 posted on 11/23/2006 9:15:30 PM PST by Cinnamon
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To: Rembrandt
It's already obsolete isn't it? From what I have read over the years, it's not that great of a machine if it's loaded up with decent weapons systems. We are mothballing better (proved performers)machines.
13 posted on 11/23/2006 9:18:33 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: bruinbirdman

I'd still rather have an F-22


14 posted on 11/23/2006 9:20:40 PM PST by Echo Talon
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[. . .warning that it would no longer tolerate industrial inefficiencies. . .]

What's the alternative? They've already invested billions. The next time they need a weapon on this scale maybe they will turn to the U.S.


15 posted on 11/23/2006 9:21:23 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: Cinnamon
Critics of Eurofighter-Typhoon argue that it is a Cold War relic that has consumed far too much of the MoD's scarce resources.

Typhoon?

How about a new and better and cheaper design?

The Lampoon, made in France, all white and capable of dropping "We surrender" leaflets at Mach 1.2. this high tech beauty also has a coffee grinder and "cruise mode" to allow the heavily unionized pilots to take 5 fifteen minute breaks during the course of a mission?

The Lampoon are in all actuality Airbus 360's series that were bought at a hanger sale in Nice.....
16 posted on 11/23/2006 9:22:44 PM PST by padre35 (We are surrounded, that simplifies our problem Chesty Puller)
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To: bruinbirdman

Here

17 posted on 11/23/2006 9:26:04 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: sukhoi-30mki
there is an engine being pitched with 30% more thrust, but money will get in the way of that ever happening.

You gotta remember that the primary customer is the U.S. Navy, the same organization that fielded the F-14 with a totally crappy engine. When they finally got a replacement they only put new engines in half the aircraft.

18 posted on 11/23/2006 9:31:09 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Wonder why Boeing doesn't upgun the SuperHornet's engines

its not that shabby.. youtube

www.blueangels.navy.mil

19 posted on 11/23/2006 9:55:37 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Wanna see something cool? Watch this! :)
20 posted on 11/23/2006 10:00:12 PM PST by Echo Talon
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