Chairman-in-waiting Rangel feels a draft

MND ^ | November 23, 2006 | By Mike Bates

[Nasty McPhilthy]

"The House voted on Rangel’s 2003 bill in 2004. Rangel himself voted against it, complaining that Republicans didn’t permit a full airing of the issues associated with renewing conscription."

What a monuMental idiot.

[Ken522]

Rangel's a real morooon!

[Freedom of Speech Wins]

Rangel expressed sorrow on the news when Saddam's sons were killed. He doesn't want a war, but he wants rich Americans to be drafted and to fight in it, thus he wants to see wealthy Americans killed, but not Saddam's sons.

Rangel shows what side he is really on here.

[spokeshave]

I guess they will need more troops for the coming screw up in Iraq.

[LibFreeOrDie]

They’d be required to perform some national civilian service.

That's where this is really leading... mandatory national "service", which will require young folks to perform any number of liberal activities: campaign for Dems door-to-door, assist Jimmuh Carter as he monitors the elections of Marxists in South America, that sort of thing...

[A message]

Screw the Democrats. Nothing would weaken the will of the nation in the Iraq campaign than campus riots over a draft.

I really find Democrats disgusting.

[Nasty McPhilthy]

Welcome to FR, and a Happy Thanksgiving to you!

[HitmanLV]

Yep, we are registering the young men as we 'peak.'

[Anti-Bubba182]

Rangel will be forgiven proposing a renewed draft as long as it never gets anywhere near passage. It will be written off as Charlie sticking it to rich White folks.

[CORedneck]

Interesting philosophy. This goes back when I was at my old job, my manager was a Liberal Democrat. In the process of doing my job, there were many times I get called into his office and taken to task for different things. One of his favorite lines, "don't you know you have to get my permission.....". In the process of leaving that position, I had an interview on a Thu afternoon and he got p*ssed. He mentioned I had to get his special permission to take time off for the interview. Intersting, he never got on my case on how I took advantage of flex time.

He was also a jerk about vacation. He mentioned it is a company benefit but he said that it is considered a privilege when and how I used the time. He then added that the vacation benefit was suppose to be beneficial to the company, not to me individually.

Good thing, I have been free from him for over a year.

Mr. Rangel’s draft scheme underscores a significant philosophical difference between many liberals and many conservatives. Liberals often view individuals as entirely subservient to the government.

When Clinton was president, he explained why tax cuts weren’t a good idea even when the Federal government has budget surpluses: “We could give it (the tax surplus) all back to you and hope you spend it right. But if you don’t spend it right. . . ” The premise here is that government has first claim on your money. You get what’s left only with its permission. And you’d better use it the “right” way.

Mrs. Clinton shares that outlook, saying that “We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society.” Liberals believe what’s best for society is determined by government.

[samtheman]

This won't come up for a vote. If it does, it won't pass. If it does, it won't overcome a veto (assuming Bush is capable of one more veto).

This is all publicity. Sharpton, Jackson, Rangel. They're all about grandstanding and publicity.

[oldbill]

OK, forget about the draft.

The issue is, how do we get the elites in our society, the ones benefitting most from America's blessings, to contribute their share to the defense of the country.

If you do a survey of all those people in the news, the politicians, the pundits, the journalists, the academics, the celebrities, the movie stars, the pro atheletes, the CEOs, you will find few of them or their children who would ever think of putting on the uniform.

Compare that to WW II, where all of Roosevelt sons and the DiMaggios and Williams and Gables and Stewarts and the graduates of Yale and Harvard and Princeton served. If the War Against Islamofascism is our WW III, why don't you start putting the pressure on those elites to serve?

Imagine a Ben Affleck or Alex Rodriguez or Bill Gates or Peyton Manning calling a press conference announcing that they are joining up and encourage their peers to do likewise.

Let's have a little less knee-jerk on this issue and start pointing the finger at those who take much but give little. Rather than the empty words "I support the troops", let's hear "I want to join them".

[tsomer]

f it does, it won't overcome a veto (assuming Bush is capable of one more veto).

Big assumption.

I think we'd better consider the possibility this is more than a grand gesture by the Dims.

A draft would offer two advantages for them:
1.)A large force of warm bodies they could assign wherever they wanted. This would attract outside sources of political support.This would increase their power.
2.) Control or influence over the assignments given to individuals within their districts. This would strengthen them within out borders, thus also increase their power.

I think we'd better assume they're sincere.

[D-fendr]

When Clinton was president, he explained why tax cuts weren’t a good idea even when the Federal government has budget surpluses: “We could give it (the tax surplus) all back to you and hope you spend it right. But if you don’t spend it right. . . ”

This is actually, unbelievably true. The full quote is:

"We could give it all back to you and hope you spend it right. But if you don't spent it right, here's what's going to happen."

[ARE SOLE]

Of all the donkeys, Rangel is the dumbest ass of the lot.


Regards.

[svcw]

Are you joking? Bill Gates takes but not give...how many jobs has he generated? It is called a volunteer service for a reason. The reason those people in general you have mentioned have not volunteered is because they do not believe we are at war and they have general disdain for the USA.

[leadpenny]

If the War Against Islamofascism is our WW III, why don't you start putting the pressure on those elites to serve?

The answer is, don't forget about the draft.

I don't know what Rangel's reason(s) are for proposing a return to the draft and quite frankly, I don't care, but he's right. I hope it comes up for lengthy debates in the House and the Senate. If it does, it should include the registration and the drafting of women.

[jwh_Denver]

What you are suggesting just might push this country over the edge.

[leadpenny]

The debate or the outcome I hope for?

over the edge, how so?