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To: A. Pole; kronos77

You have both read more on this than I have.

Both of you see Clinton as a war criminal for bombing the Serbs, but disagree as to whether or not the Serbs massacred 8,000 muslims from Srebrenica.

Right?


12 posted on 11/22/2006 12:51:52 PM PST by secretagent ((Trying on the neoconservative hat now))
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To: secretagent
It was really a planned evacuation, as the war was wrapping up in those last few months and the Muslim enclave wouldn't be sustainable. Keeping it wouldn't allow a better separation of the warring parties for Dayton which created a Muslim-Croat federation and the RS (Serb part of Bosnia). There had been talk years earlier about trading/swapping Srebrenica for Serb held territories in other parts of Bosnia.

The army was withdrawn before the Serbs arrived. The top leadership, including commander Naser Oric had left almost 2 months before and didn't bother to return.

This is a picture of him in Tuzla after he'd left Srebrenica.

The rest of the military was ordered out by the brigade commanders on the eve of the fall and they slipped out of the town in darkness to eventually reach Muslim-held territory.

The thousands of Muslim men (estimates from 12,000-18,000) had many miles of Serb territory to travel through. Some were killed in skirmishes and battles on the way and others were killed by mines.

14 posted on 11/22/2006 1:04:14 PM PST by joan
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To: secretagent; kronos77
Both of you see Clinton as a war criminal for bombing the Serbs

I am not sure what exactly his personal responsibility was. I remember that he was very hesitant to take side against Serbs and that he was put under tremendous pressure for being an Chamberlain like "appeaser" both by Democrats and Republicans.

but disagree as to whether or not the Serbs massacred 8,000 muslims from Srebrenica.

I followed the events around Srebrenica as they were taking place and it was quite obvious that there was a malicious spin and distortion applied, designed to make Serbs look evil.

Start with this: Was the Srebrenica 'Massacre' a Hoax?

15 posted on 11/22/2006 1:10:02 PM PST by A. Pole (" There is no other god but Free Market, and Adam Smith is his prophet ! Bazaar Akbar! ")
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To: secretagent
Meanwhile, back in the real world:

The Bosnian Serb government has admitted the massacre(s) took place, and thoughtfully provided the locations of 30+ remaining secondary and tertiary mass graves which the ICTY's field teams had yet to locate.

Bosnian Serb officers involved in the massacre have elocuted to their part in it, in plea agreements with the ICTY.

Even without Serbs who decided to tell the truth, the evidence at this stage is so overwhelming that it's an embarassment to see folks attempt to deny what happened there.

Alas, as Germans have David Irving, so the Serbs shall have their mini-Irvings.

23 posted on 11/22/2006 4:02:16 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: secretagent

there were not 8,000 massacred. They are correct. The Muslims were Jihaders from Afghanistan and also combatants from the Balkans. After the Soviets left Afghanistan, our trained Mujhadeen 8,000-10,000 or so, was put in Bosnia to aid in their "independence" declaration and Jihad against Serbs. Serbs naturally reacted to protect their union, and did so somewhat heavy handed, granted. Look up operation storm with Ceku as well........(Croatia).

CIA worked with ISI, Turkish Intelligence and Saudi Intelligence to make this happen long story short. So, around 1993, the CIA asked the ISI to divert part of the dregs of the HUM and HUJI to Bosnia to help the Muslims there. The funding was supplied by the Saudi Intel. The Arms and Ammo, were reportedly given by the Iranian Intell. and the leadership provided by the serving and retired Officers of the ISI and Turkish intell. Reference the dayview of Omar Sheikh as the "Bosnian Bin Laden". Now it gets real interesting. :) Cohen and company at some point afterwards started claiming 100,000 Kosovar Albanians massacred in Kosovo. So, was this a lie or a complete intelligence failure...because not long after, the number went down to 10,000. Then, when escavations were done in 1999, they could only find 2,108 bodies, and in one grave was 22 massacred Serbs. The other bodies are in question as to whether they were victims of NATO bombing, killed by their very own KLA, or Serbs......From Bosnia a large number of the dregs were diverted to Kosovo by the CIA. I know for a fact as I was there for five years....ie....official report that was an interest of the Russians and myself was the 12 Chechens allowed through Pristina Airport without being checked and they disappeared....one of many such incidents. I held for a long time the "mean ole Serbs" murdering 8,000 muslims in cold blood, rape camps...blah blah blah....where are the bodies....?? and, if you read, Peter Brock. "Media Cleansing; Dirty Reporting", you will find that there were no rape camps relating to genocide....etc....unless something pops up in the next few years or they fabricate another mass grave, where are the bodies. I submit, five thousand or so went to kosovo, Croatia, and Macedonia..to fight instead of being dead in Srebrenica.


47 posted on 11/23/2006 12:18:41 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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