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To: Colofornian

>>Who has judged whom? Joseph Smith passed judgment on every professor of
>>Christendom as being "corrupt!" So Joseph Smith was given that knowledge of every
>>heart and mind and soul to make such a widescale, sweeping, accusation?

Joseph said the teachings were corrupt. He said nothing about the people. (weren’t you the one that said we had to judge things, not people?) Mormons believe you will be judged by what you know.

>>Joseph Smith judged every creed of Christendom as an "abomination" before God.
>>Now who's judging who?

Um, he’s judging a creed, not people see my first response here.

>>In short, Joseph Smith judged every Christian who claims to be part of "the faith that was ONCE FOR ALL entrusted to the saints" (Jude 4) [BTW, "once for all" means "once for all"--not a total apostasy to be restored again...just like Jesus told a true prophesy when He said the gates of hell shall not prevail against His church...whereas Joseph was calling Jesus a liar in that such a prevailing did occur).

Jude 1: 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Um, it does not say what you said it would (there’s only on chapter in Jude, I did read the whole chapter just to make sure you didn’t just blow the Verse)

I thought this one was cool: Jude 1: 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

So, who are they talking about here? (Lucifer, who drew 1/3 of the host of heaven after him, the first estate, they did not obey God while spirits, but fought against Jesus Christ who had been chosen to be the savior, and all this happened before the physical world was even created.

How about 2 Thes 2:3? (http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_thes/2/3#3)

“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;”

So, there had to be a falling away before the end.


473 posted on 11/21/2006 1:05:50 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser
Joseph said the teachings were corrupt. He said nothing about the people. (weren’t you the one that said we had to judge things, not people?) Mormons believe you will be judged by what you know.

What a lie!

Your college experience may lead you to believe that a "professor" is an inanimate object :) but Smith specifically labeled "professors" of the Christian faith as "corrupt."

Please correct yourself.

521 posted on 11/21/2006 11:11:00 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: DelphiUser
Jude 1: 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. Um, it does not say what you said it would (there’s only on chapter in Jude, I did read the whole chapter just to make sure you didn’t just blow the Verse)

Meant Jude 3

522 posted on 11/21/2006 11:12:32 AM PST by Colofornian
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