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To: DelphiUser
He also said the he would separate them at the doors, not in the field. Who are you to judge me, and mine?

First off, don't take this out of context. For example, if there was no urgent gospel to take to people...if all are fine as is...then by all means, call all the LDS missionaries home. I mean, aren't you "judging" every household that an LDS missionary visits as a potential eventual visitor to either hell or a "lesser glory?"

The fact of the matter is, that every LDS mission agency makes spiritual "judgments" all the time. Now I do deem that as being off-based motivationally? No. When an LDS missionary visits my apartment, do I think they are making as you say, a "field judgment?" Yes, but I don't assign ill motive to them as you seem to do to me. If I were them--if I believe someone has not embraced the true gospel, and I have good news to share, of course, good news is for sharing, not hoarding.

Jesus' comment about "ye shall know them by their fruit" is somewhat relevant here. Likewise, the apostle Paul said "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment: 'For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?' But we have the mind of Christ." (1 Cor. 2:14-16).

So bottom line here, we all make spiritual judgments. (But only those who share "the mind of Christ" makes accurate assessments...because as 1 Cor. 2:14-16 "judging" is just another way of saying "discerning"--and John says we are to "test all things, hold fast to that which is true.")

So, true Christians are in the "things-judging" business...(not the people-judging business). We judge "things"--spirit entities, doctrines, truth and falsehood. We know some spirits have already been judged; we have no such knowledge of people. Many people who might appear to be hell-bound are actually heaven-bound. But it's not because we can't tell who is on a present course of destruction...it's more because that course may change.

Finally, we cannot judge people's inward motives. Nobody has that kind of inner knowledge.

371 posted on 11/20/2006 4:49:01 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
I mean, aren't you "judging" every household that an LDS missionary visits as a potential eventual visitor to either hell or a "lesser glory?"

Judgment without power to execute that judgment is simply opinion. Do you believe Mormons have the power to send you to hell?

373 posted on 11/20/2006 4:51:02 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: Colofornian

>>First off, don't take this out of context.

ROTFLOL! This from you?

Oh this is going to be good.

>>For example, if there was no urgent gospel to take to people...if all are fine as is...
>>then by all means, call all the LDS missionaries home.

You have a unique grasp of the English language to get this from what I said.

>>I mean, aren't you "judging" every household that an LDS missionary visits as a >>potential eventual visitor to either hell or a "lesser glory?"

Short answer: No. We are commanded to preach, we preach. We are commanded to teach, we teach. See James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

In fact all of James 2 is a really good read, if you actually want to understand Mormons.

>>The fact of the matter is…

The rest of this paragraph was complete and utter drivel, unsupported opinion presented as fact. I hereby refute all of it by stating it is not true.

>>Jesus' comment about "ye shall know them by their fruit" is somewhat relevant here

Yes, Mormons have a reputation for Family orientation, clean living and Honesty (individuals may differ, but this is what is taught). I’d say that was pretty good fruit.

>>Likewise, the apostle Paul said "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things
>>that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot
>>understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man makes
>>judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment: 'For
>>who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?' But we have the mind
>>of Christ." (1 Cor. 2:14-16).

I see why you think Mormonism is foolishness now, thank you for enlightening me on that point of your psychology.

>>So bottom line here, we all make spiritual judgments.

Speak for your self, please.

>>(But only those who share "the mind of Christ" makes accurate assessments...because
>>as 1 Cor. 2:14-16 "judging" is just another way of saying "discerning"--and John says
>>we are to "test all things, hold fast to that which is true.")

Oh yes, I knew this would be good with the first line! Hypocrite, behold thy mirror! To paraphrase your paragraph: Since I have the “Mind of Christ” I can judge you and it’s OK. Since you don’t have the mind of Christ, if you judge me, you are breaking commandments!

>>So, true Christians are in the "things-judging" business...(not the people-judging business).

Yet, you judge me.

>>Finally, we cannot judge people's inward motives. Nobody has that kind of inner knowledge.

Jesus Christ my lord and master, he has that kind of knowledge. You on the other hand have denounced me and my fellow Mormons, we are not Christians to you and all who are not Christians according to you are going to Hell (Hand basket optional). Thus you have judged me with out an inkling of what is in my heart; you admit you do not have this knowledge.


426 posted on 11/20/2006 6:35:09 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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