Posted on 11/20/2006 8:24:45 AM PST by areafiftyone
Mitt Romney (R) begins the 2008 campaign season in fourth place among those seeking the GOP Presidential nomination, trailing Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, and Condoleezza Rice. While many Republican insiders believe the Massachusetts Governor could become an attractive candidate to the party's social conservatives, a Rasmussen Reports survey finds that Romney's faith may initially be more of a hindrance than a help.
Forty-three percent (43%) of American voters say they would never even consider voting for a Mormon Presidential candidate. Only 38% say they would consider casting such a vote while 19% are not sure. Half (53%) of all Evangelical Christians say that they would not consider voting for a Mormon candidate.
Overall, 29% of Likely Voters have a favorable opinion of Romney while 30% hold an unfavorable view. Most of those opinions are less than firmly held. Ten percent (10%) hold a very favorable opinion while 11% have a very unfavorable assessment. Among the 41% with no opinion of Romney, just 27% say they would consider voting for a Mormon.
It is possible, of course, that these perceptions might change as Romney becomes better known and his faith is considered in the context of his campaign. Currently, just 19% of Likely Voters are able to identify Romney as the Mormon candidate from a list of six potential Presidential candidates.
The response to a theoretical Mormon candidate is far less negative than the response to a Muslim candidate or an atheist. Sixty-one percent (61%) of Likely Voters say they would never consider voting for a Muslim Presidential candidate. Sixty percent (60%) say the same about an atheist.
The Rasmussen Reports survey found that 35% say that a candidate's faith and religious beliefs are very important in their voting decision. Another 27% say faith and religious beliefs are somewhat important. Ninety-two percent (92%) of Evangelical Christian voters consider a candidate's faith and beliefs important.
On the partisan front, 78% of Republicans say that a candidate's faith is an important consideration, a view shared by 55% of Democrats. However, there is also a significant divide on this topic within the Democratic Party. Among minority Democrats, 71% consider faith and religious beliefs an important consideration for voting. Just 44% of white Democrats agree.
The national telephone survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted by Rasmussen Reports November 16-17, 2006. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.
>>Historically, LDS doctrine has changed over time, including notorious teachings regarding polygamy
Notorious? Well, It did bring us notoriety, even though Polygamy is Biblical and was widely practiced at the time, and by a lot more than Mormons.
>> and the fact that, until 1978, blacks were barred from the Mormon priesthood.
Yep, they were. Many were confused when Christ Fulfilled the Law of Moses too.
>>Mormons may be able to make sense of these changes in doctrine in light of their
>>belief in progressive revelation,
Yes, we can, it’s called fait, and the Sprit of Revelation that comes with it.
>>but it's difficult for non-Mormons to take "official" LDS doctrine seriously.
You would probably have had a hard time Taking Jesus “seriously” if you had lived when he was here, since he was revolutionizing things the Jews held so close, like “Blood sacrifices” being replaced with “a Broken heart and a contrite spirit” The law of moses, converts not being required to become circumcised for example. That is supposition on my part, do not be offended, I make no judgment of you, I might well have had a hard time too. I guess we’ll never know for sure.
I've been telling y'all that Mormon was the kiss of death at the Presidentaial level on multiple threads. I live in Nevada and have stories going from Harry Reid on down. There will be questions about magic underwear, getting your own planet, polygamy, treatment of women, tratment of blacks, influence of the Bishops . . . .
Don't make me say I told you so.
This is one of the reasons we have placed so much on line. We want everyone to have access to it, the genealogy sites are used by people of all denominations, the scriptures, our monthly magazines, lots of reference materials, in several languages, the church put this out there and maintains it for everyone in hopes that all will be edified, even if they don’t join (though that is of course the church’s goal)
I am glad that you used the Video in the teaching of your flock, keep up the good work!
I've been telling y'all that Mormon was the kiss of death at the Presidential level on multiple threads. I live in Nevada and have stories going from Harry Reid on down. There will be questions about magic underwear, getting your own planet, polygamy, treatment of women, treatment of blacks, influence of the Bishops . . . .
Don't make me say I told you so.
[dang I hate my typos, spell check is your friend]
>>Ramen noodles would be captured to the LDSism for eternity.
LOL!
Where do I go to hear one of your sermons, they should be a riot!
"I've never understood the anti-Mormon stuff. I grew up with lots of Mormons. Every one I knew was kind, hard-working, and honest as the day is long."
That isn't the problem. The problem comes in leadership positions when the Bishops and doctrine get inserted. It is a BIG problem, I've run into it in work situations and political situations. I will hire a Mormon, live beside one, but I don't want them in leadership. Been there, done that multiple times and been consistently burned.
Re: John 10:34
Ye are gods - This was said of magistrates on account of the dignity and honor of their office, and it shows that the Hebrew word translated “god,” Ìelohiym, in that place might be applied to man. Such a use of the word is, however, rare. See instances in Exo_7:1; Exo_4:16.
I'm just a lay speaker. I used the video for a Youth Worship service.
Our closest neighbor is Mormon. They are great neighbors because they never run out of anything. A Mormon's basement makes an Egyptian tomb look like a trash can.
>> Oh, and Mormons who vote for Mormon candidates show absolutely no bias, eh?
I already stated on this forum I would be hard pressed to vote for Mitt because his conservative credentials good (hey if he’s up against Hitlary, well I would vote for just about anyone to vote against her)
So, why on these kinds of threads does that kind of accusation of "bias" escape notice (LDS who vote for LDS candidates), but non-LDS who may not vote for LDS candidates is heavily commented (by a lot of others besides you)?
Because I would rather vote for a good conservative, God fearing Methodist (or any other Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Etc) than a Mormon who would be Liberal, or who was not living his faith. (ROP currently excepted from my would vote for list, I think you’ll understand why)
More inconsistency.
Where? That is what I have said, It’s what I am still saying. I am voting for President, not Pope (Do I get to vote on that?) I don’t see why If I would rather have a Conservative who lives his faith than someone of my religion who does not live his faith that others would be so reactive about faith and say they “Couldn’t Trust one of us to be president. It boils down to, Our votes you’ll accept, but not our person? This is the hypocrisy I believe is partly fueling this thread (Boring threads never get this long :-).
If a Mormon runs as a Republican, the media will drag out every link from every anti-Mormon website and beat him to death with them.
If Harry Reid runs for President, you'll never know where he goes to church.
>>Why would I assume that? Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Lucifer was created
>>on earth!!!
Great, so why does when he appears in the garden have to do with how old he is? You really seem to have age issues.
>>Of course you "believe we are brothers because we were spirit children" because LDS
>>are the only ones in the world who espouse that way-out belief.
Not true, prove that no one else believes in a pre existence! (it’s always fun to ask someone to prove a negative).
How about this John 9:2 ( http://scriptures.lds.org/en/john/9/2#2 ) And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
John 9:2 Proves the Disciples understood that we existed before birth (Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee)
>>I notice that your LDS missionaries don't exactly lead with that belief goin' door-to-
>>door. "Hi, I'm Elder Brown, the younger spirit brother of Elder brother Lucifer Satan.
>>May I come in?"
Why on earth would we lead with something we don’t believe? Using the word Satan would not be on my top ten approaches anyway
From the JFG category (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOL8SM42udc ) Those without a sense of humor need not view, you have been warned! It is safe for Work BTW.
But the convo on this thread focuses on the voting patterns of others (mainly Evangelicals...and now I'm broadening it to Mormons)...the focus on this thread is not only the DelphiUser's patterns
Precisely. And, conversely, if they believe that it works --- well, you know where that would lead.
If we are just a bunch of nuts, we are not hurting anyone by uttering the names of dead people in a temple ceremony.
If a Mormon runs as a Republican, the media will drag out every link from every anti-Mormon website and beat him to death with them.
Isn’t this true with any Republican who runs? IF there is any anti site there it’s suddenly of interest in any way shape or form, that’s really what this poll is about, they are scared of Mitt.
Inconsistency in that you & others on this thread accuse others of bias for not voting for LDS candidates because of being LDS, but you don't denigrate LDS voters for voting for LDS candidates simply because they are LDS. You may not personally do that, but you don't critique others (LDS) for doing that.
My father (a Mormon) had a war buddy and close personal friend who was our (democrat) Congressman and who was also a Mormon. My dad would not under any circumstances for for that man for Congress because he was just too liberal. My dad voted for politicians based upon their politics. I suspect that he was no different than most Mormons.
My point exactly. The type of faith the biblical Jesus espouses is the type that what you hear in secret, you shout from the rooftops. The type of religion occultism espouses, it's done with step by step initiation, like the X number of degrees of Free Masonry (some of those rites Joseph Smith imported from Free Masonry into temple ceremonies).
The fact that Mormonism has all of these "tucked-away" beliefs and practices shows the need for its church to exercise these family-focused P.R. campaigns. Even its own prophet-prez (Hinckley) twice ducked MSM questions when asked about the Mormon belief of becoming gods.
Don't bother to patronize us, either, by saying that you only give milk to infants. That verse just becomes another prooftext by LDS apologists for excusing away the Occultic initiation that a BYU professor (Michael Quinn) wrote about re: Smith's Magical World view.
Actually, the Jews believed the sins of the father would be visited on his children.
"As of now, and as a NH voter, I am in the Romney Camp. This kind of poll and some of the hateful comments on this and other threads regarding Mormons has only achieved the opposite for me.
In fact I am going to run along now and check out where I can start."
If you think it is bad here, were even Mormon bashers like myself will try and keep things civil, wait till a presidential election starts and and moveon.org get hold of the material that's out there. And they don't care about hurt feelings, they are complete atheists.
The latter part of your comment is an innovative way to explain away Joe Smith's doctrine, but I hardly think he had that in mind when he wrote it.
When you take Heb 11:3 with Col. 1:16..."For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or power or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him."
Okay, what part of "all" don't you understand? (why do you insist on putting "asterisks" to words like "all"... * "all...except...".He created all things, including Satan and every other angel. He created even those invisible atoms you referenced.
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