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Japan Shrinks
Washington Post ^ | 20 November 2006 | Fred Hiatt

Posted on 11/20/2006 4:15:46 AM PST by shrinkermd

...But why not? For a population to hold steady, every woman must give birth on average to 2.1 children. When the birthrate drops below 1.5 and stays there for any time, it's almost impossible to recover, given the momentum of demographics. Below 1.3 is considered "lowest-low." China is at 1.7 and dropping. Japan last year clocked in at 1.25.

As a result, Japan's population, now about 128 million, is expected to fall to about 100 million by mid-century. Big deal, you might say. Wasn't Japan happy enough 50 years ago, when it blew through the 100 million mark on the way up?

Yes, but it was a very different 100 million then. In 1965 there were 25 million children in Japan, 67 million people of working age and 6 million senior citizens. In 2050 there will be 11 million children, 54 million potential workers and 36 million people 65 and over. No one knows whether such a society can maintain a spirit of innovation, or how its capitalists will adapt to a shrinking market. There will potentially be a lot more dependents for every productive worker

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Japan
KEYWORDS: depopulation; japan
"...In truth, Japan doesn't seem to want to change as it would have to in order to increase the birthrate. Japanese women say in surveys that they want two children, but they delay or abstain from marriage and motherhood in astonishing numbers because fathers don't help around the house, because mothers feel isolated in tiny apartments and because it's so hard for a woman to combine career and motherhood...

..."It brings you to a very tough question," Toru Suzuki says. "What is happiness? Can we be happy without economic growth?"

...At least Japan will find out from a starting position of wealth. China, which imposed a one-child policy before it had developed economically, may get old before it gets rich. That will be a first, too....

Good, factual article. Washington Post can produce something when it is not crusading against President Bush and the conservatives.

1 posted on 11/20/2006 4:15:48 AM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
There will potentially be a lot more dependents for every productive worker

The same is true here. One of the many reasons Social Security should be shifted asap to an investment-based vs. soak-the-next-generation basis.

2 posted on 11/20/2006 4:18:51 AM PST by sphinx
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To: shrinkermd

This article reminded me of the one on France written last month.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/17/AR2006101701652.html
"While falling birthrates threaten to undermine economies and social stability across much of an aging Europe, French fertility rates are increasing. France now has the second-highest fertility rate in Europe -- 1.94 children born per woman, exceeded slightly by Ireland's rate of 1.99. The U.S. fertility rate is 2.01 children."

It described the policies France is deliberately pursuing to prevent a shrinking native population. I believe the author of the article about Japan is correct. The Japanese aren't convinced that a shrinking population is a problem. If they were, they would try to fix it as France it.


3 posted on 11/20/2006 4:24:46 AM PST by edweena
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To: shrinkermd
There will potentially be a lot more dependents Depends for every productive worker
4 posted on 11/20/2006 4:25:54 AM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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To: shrinkermd
As a result, Japan's population, now about 128 million, is expected to fall to about 100 million by mid-century.

Is a drastic decline in populaiton still considered a population explosion? Please tell me what to think, MSM, it's all so confusing!

5 posted on 11/20/2006 4:36:51 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: sphinx
The same is true here.

Oh, no. Our overlords are importing millions of third world workers, mainly illegal, to shore up the program. Each of them is having more than enough children to make up for the deficit in reproduction among the middle class too busy working and paying the taxes to notice what's going on.

We'll be fine as long as we learn Spanish, Chinese, Arabic . . . and our rightful place alongside the third world hordes. < / sarcasm >

6 posted on 11/20/2006 4:37:02 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: sphinx

"One of the many reasons Social Security should be shifted asap to an investment-based vs. soak-the-next-generation basis.

If there are enough retirees, that may not work. What will they all invest in? Where will the growing businesses be if there are not enough young workers?


7 posted on 11/20/2006 4:45:12 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: edweena

I wonder how much of France's increase is birthrate is among its immigrant Muslim population.


8 posted on 11/20/2006 4:57:45 AM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: shrinkermd
"For a population to hold steady, every woman must give birth on average to 2.1 children"

Hey, 2 kids isn't bad, but it's that .1 part of the kid that is the real challenge...
9 posted on 11/20/2006 5:14:48 AM PST by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: wouldntbprudent
I wonder how much of France's increase is birthrate is among its immigrant Muslim population.

I think it's just about all of it.

10 posted on 11/20/2006 5:16:20 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: mkjessup

Tom Thumb?


11 posted on 11/20/2006 5:20:22 AM PST by listenhillary (You can lead a man to reason, but you can't make him think)
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To: edweena

But, how much of France's fertility is due to higher fertility among its large Muslim population?


12 posted on 11/20/2006 5:36:24 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: shrinkermd

Shrinking... birthrate? - shucks!

I thought this was going to be a Global Warming™ thread.
8^)


13 posted on 11/20/2006 5:48:00 AM PST by jonno (...it almost seems as if the Universe must in some sense have known that we were coming...)
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To: WashingtonSource

Almost all of Frances' increased fertility rates are from immigrants. I am told that the rural French also enjoy large families, but not as large as the immigrants.


14 posted on 11/20/2006 6:05:50 AM PST by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120))
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To: shrinkermd

The Washington Post catches up to Mark Steyn! It's the demographics stupid!

The reporter may want to read AMERCIA ALONE.


15 posted on 11/20/2006 6:13:01 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: Give therapeutic violence a chance!)
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To: edweena
This article reminded me of the one on France written last month.

'While falling birthrates threaten to undermine economies and social stability across much of an aging Europe, French fertility rates are increasing. France now has the second-highest fertility rate in Europe -- 1.94 children born per woman, exceeded slightly by Ireland's rate of 1.99. The U.S. fertility rate is 2.01 children.'

How do these numbers from France match up with Mark Steyn's numbers? I was thinking he had France under 1.5.

16 posted on 11/20/2006 10:20:11 AM PST by MeanFreePath
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To: texas booster

You think Japan is scary... You should see China!


17 posted on 11/20/2006 11:12:10 AM PST by dangus (Pope calls Islam violent; Millions of Moslems demonstrate)
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To: shrinkermd
Good, factual article. Washington Post can produce something when it is not crusading against President Bush and the conservatives.

The Washington Post is actually pretty good at reporting information when it does not deal with Bush and his "guys" in Congress.

A while ago, they had a good article on France's economic problems.

18 posted on 11/20/2006 9:14:37 PM PST by MinorityRepublican (Everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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