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Voters Did Not Endorse Amnesty: Open-Borders Advocates Distort Election Results
Human Events ^ | November 20 2006 | Mark Krikorian

Posted on 11/19/2006 4:43:19 PM PST by Reagan Man

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To: texastoo

I haven't really looked it over but here's a chart of wins and losses.

In the primary we got rid of a pro amnesty RINO congressman and replaced him with an anti amnesty conservative who won in the general election. That's Tim Walberg who was one of very few endorsed by the Minuteman PAC.

http://www.numbersusa.com/hottopic/results2006.html


121 posted on 11/19/2006 6:45:07 PM PST by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: dirtboy
You seem to want open borders with no government control of who comes here.

Not at all. But we should allow in whatever number that it takes to fill the jobs. Our unemployment rate is at nearly an all-time low, particularly in the border states, so there is no rational to keep people out. Attempting to keep people out who have a proven ability to get and keep jobs is the black market that our broken laws have created.

These people are going to be here, whether your or J.D. Heyworth likes it or not. So we'd best deal with them by IDing them, teaching them english, and pushing them to assimilate. As long as they stay in the black market, that will not happen, as we have seen.

122 posted on 11/19/2006 6:46:02 PM PST by narby
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To: narby
And our current rules make that impossible for them.

The United States admits between 700,000 and 900,000 legal immigrants each year. It's not "impossible", it's just time consuming.

123 posted on 11/19/2006 6:47:20 PM PST by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS Is A Slap In The Face To The USBP!!)
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To: narby

No.


124 posted on 11/19/2006 6:47:32 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: narby
Our problem is that the black market in foreign workers sends herds of them crossing a huge border with no controls whatever, allowing any bad guys to simply mingle in. If we re-wrote our laws allowing foreign workers, and they all came through regular border checkpoints with good ID, then it would be simple to find any terrorists trying to sneak in, because they would be the only ones who *avoid* the border checkpoints.

How about taking that idea all the way home:

Make EVERYTHING legal and that way there would no longer be any crime.

125 posted on 11/19/2006 6:47:47 PM PST by capt. norm (Liberalism = cowardice disguised as tolerance.)
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To: narby

Does Mexico have any responsibility in this debate?


126 posted on 11/19/2006 6:48:31 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: capt. norm
Can we think of some nicey-nice ways to describe various other lawbreakers like thieves, murderers and rapists? The phrase itself is a liberal talking point, for crying out loud.

Ok. Go arrest all 12 million illegals tomorrow. Where you going to put them? How are you going to feed them? How will you find workers to fill the jobs they now hold?

You're in a dream land.

Every person living in this country has broken laws. According to your logic, we should rigidly pursue and punish to the fullest extent every single citizen.

But that just isn't the way it works and I'm darn glad that it doesn't.

127 posted on 11/19/2006 6:51:19 PM PST by narby
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To: narby
Did you know that Mexico is the richest nation, per capita, in all of Latin America?

It's not like we are dealing with a bunch of peasants here ~ no we are not ~ they're smart and slick and aggressive.

You can't compromise with them.

128 posted on 11/19/2006 6:51:30 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: cripplecreek; dirtboy

I should have read the thread. Look at post #29. It gives you a list of the new members. I just checked the last name Yarmuth, a Dem, and googled him. Guess what, he is against illegal immigration. LOL. I'll check this list out tomorrow.


129 posted on 11/19/2006 6:52:09 PM PST by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: sageb1
Does Mexico have any responsibility in this debate?

Yeah...maybe we should offer to copy their rigid laws regarding immigrants. Mexico wants us to do what they would never dream of.

I remember reading a post about Mexican immigration law and they'd scream bloody murder if we ever proposed such laws.

130 posted on 11/19/2006 6:53:13 PM PST by capt. norm (Liberalism = cowardice disguised as tolerance.)
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To: sageb1
Does Mexico have any responsibility in this debate?

Yeah, to dump all its poor and disheveled into the US while it can.

131 posted on 11/19/2006 6:53:13 PM PST by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS Is A Slap In The Face To The USBP!!)
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To: dirtboy
How many people a year made it over the Berlin Wall? A handful?

And you think that it would be realistic to recreate a three thousand mile Berlin Wall across open deserts? Guarded by how many troops?

My point is that the border will be crossed. Right now, many illegals cross over every season. Should we lock the border much tighter, they will stay here year-round. You think that's a good idea?

132 posted on 11/19/2006 6:55:47 PM PST by narby
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To: narby
Let's just go ahead and revoke all laws and thus eliminate crime.

That seems to be your solution and it seriously lowers my assessment of your ability to process information.

133 posted on 11/19/2006 6:58:14 PM PST by capt. norm (Liberalism = cowardice disguised as tolerance.)
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To: narby

Hayworth, a six-term incumbent representing Scottsdale, Tempe and parts of Mesa, Phoenix and Chandler, was dogged all year by ties to disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

Forti added that when he mentioned Hayworth’s “scandal factor” he meant that by election day, Democrats and others had successfully painted the Republican as a candidate entrenched in political wrongdoing.

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http://www.loftydonkey.com/article/149/gop-spokesman-hayworth-lost-race



Most all the Democrats ran on illegal immigration enforcement. All were moderates or so called "conservative democrats".

You aren't going to convince anyone around here that illegal immigration is not a strong issue.

Why did Arizona pass 4 initiatives against illegals with a 70% margin?

Why are municipalities all over the country passing ordinances against illegals?


134 posted on 11/19/2006 6:59:14 PM PST by TheLion
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To: capt. norm
Believe me, it isn't for the money.

So you worked for free?

Even assuming your motivations were totally pure, don't tell me that if laws were passed tomorrow that made INS unneccessary that all INS employees would joyfully go home happy with the situation.

Your views on border issues are interesting. But I will keep it in mind that you have (or had?) a vested interest in keeping border issues in tension.

135 posted on 11/19/2006 7:00:58 PM PST by narby
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To: narby

The Belin Wall was meant to keep people inside the Iron Curtain. Construction of a wall on the southern border with Mexico would be a defensive barrier to keep people out of the USA. Its part of our national security and something that should have been built right after 9-11. With a wall like the Israeli`s built on their western border, it wouldn't take any US troops to help in the operation. Just triple the size of the Border Patrol and the manpower will be available.


136 posted on 11/19/2006 7:03:20 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: South40
It's not "impossible", it's just time consuming.

So then there is no border problem. Everyone who wants in, gets in. Right?

137 posted on 11/19/2006 7:03:28 PM PST by narby
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To: BurtSB
They did. Mr Luntz stated he had never seen such anger than the response from the Blue Collar Repub demo to the amnesty bill. They would become enraged.

And please tell me how nancy pelosi's election helps their cause?

I can't help it if these voters cut off their nose to spite their face.

138 posted on 11/19/2006 7:04:56 PM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: capt. norm
Make EVERYTHING legal and that way there would no longer be any crime.

So, where is it you come down on this? Everyone should be in jail, or no one? Obviously you want one extreem or the other.

139 posted on 11/19/2006 7:04:56 PM PST by narby
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To: South40
Does Mexico have any responsibility in this debate? Yeah, to dump all its poor and disheveled into the US while it can.

Yeah... we're solving their poverty, homelessness, etc. problems on the backs of our own citizens and some of our "leaders" like McCain think this is ok because there might be a vote or two in there.

After all of this, I'm starting to get a better realization of why we fought the Revolutionary War.

How many more years of thwarting the voters' decisions (especially by the courts) and twisting them by the politicians will it take before the next one?

140 posted on 11/19/2006 7:06:06 PM PST by capt. norm (Liberalism = cowardice disguised as tolerance.)
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