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DON'T DRUG THEM (can't believe this is from SF Chronicle about Ritalin kids)
The San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 11/19/06 | Lawrence Diller

Posted on 11/19/2006 9:59:54 AM PST by paulat

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To: Ditter
No, we had a meeting with the parents about "our concerns" with the school guidance counselor, parents, any teacher who had the student for class, etc. We recommend further testing with a professional (doctor/shrink). Many parents feel bullied from that experience and just trust the school with their kids, and if the school says the child is ADD, then it must be true. In one meeting, I suggested the mom watch what the child ate (according to what the mom said, he ate sugar like it was a food group at 5 years old), lower sugar, no pop, juice, etc. The school guidance counselor actually told me in front of everyone that there was no proof that my suggestion would help!! ARGH!! The teacher that got mad at me pretty much forced me into the meeting and when she tried to push me to "side" with her I refused.

From that point on, I was her enemy, going so far as to tell the principal that I was not willing to collaborate with her, not a team player, and she couldn't work with me. I didn't have tenure, so I was not asked to renew my contract for kindergarten the following year. Luckily, the principal thought I was a great teacher and offered me a different position in second grade, unfortunately I moved to another state.
41 posted on 11/19/2006 1:04:03 PM PST by WV Mountain Mama (What would Reagan do?)
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To: webstersII; Larousse2

Larousse2 did all kinds of digging and gave me this information.

Check out "Prohibition of Mandatory Medication Child Safety Act (25; Public Law 108-446). It is now FEDERAL LAW that public schools cannot force drugs on students as a requirement to attend school or receive evaluations. They very cleverly couched it under IDEA 2004, and the law went into effect July 1, 2005.

Check out this Supreme Court Precedent:

This decision which has been cited as Precedent in over 100 U. S. Supreme Court Cases. It establishes that PARENTS HAVE A RIGHT TO DIRECT THE EDUCATION AND UPBRINGING OF THEIR CHILDREN!

How many educators know about this U. S. Supreme Court Decision, or Psychologist or Psychiatrists? If they do know, they aren't telling you, are they? The would loose control, wouldn't they?


Pierce v. Society of Sisters
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Pierce v. Society of Sisters of the Holy Names of Jesus and Mary, 268 U.S. 510 (1925), was an important early 20th century United States Supreme Court decision which significantly expanded legal understanding of the sorts of "liberty" and "property" protected by the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. The case has been cited as a precedent in over 100 Supreme Court cases, including Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973), as well as in more than 70 U.S. Circuit Court cases.

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1 Background
2 The Decision
3 Implications
4 Footnotes
5 See also



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Background
On 7 November 1922, under the influence of the Ku Klux Klan, the voters of Oregon passed a referendum amending Oregon Law Section 5259, the Compulsory Education Act. The Act, prior to amendment, had required all Oregon children between eight and sixteen years of age to attend public school. There were several exceptions incorporated in this Act:

Children who were mentally or physically unable to attend school
children who had graduated from eighth grade
Children living more than a specified distance by road from the nearest school
Children being home-schooled or tutored (subject to monitoring by the local school district)
Children attending a state-recognized private school
The Act as amended by the 1922 referendum[1], which would have taken effect on September 1 1926, eliminated the exception for attendees of private schools. Private schools viewed this as an attack on their right to enroll students and do business in the state of Oregon.

Two sorts of opposition to the law emerged. Nonsectarian private schools, such as the Hill Military Academy, were primarily concerned with the loss of their revenue. This loss was felt almost immediately, as parents began withdrawing their children from private schools in the belief that these would soon cease to exist. In addition, religious private schools such as those run by the Society of Sisters of the Holy Names of Jesus and Mary were concerned about the right of parents to send their children to such schools as they saw fit, including religious schools.

The Society of Sisters and Hill Military Academy separately sued Walter Pierce, the Governor of the State of Oregon, along with Isaac H. Van Winkle, the State Attorney General, and Stanley Myers, District Attorney of Multnomah County (of which Portland is the county seat, and where both the Society and the Academy were headquartered). The two cases, heard and decided together, were slanted along slightly different lines. The Society's case alleged that

the enactment conflicts with the right of parents to choose schools where their children will receive appropriate mental and religious training, the right of the child to influence the parents' choice of a school, the right of schools and teachers therein to engage in a useful business or profession (268 U.S. 510, 532)
The Society's case rested only secondarily on the assertion that their business would suffer based on the law. That is, its primary allegation was that the State of Oregon was violating specific First Amendment rights (such as the right to freely practice one's religion). Their case alleged only secondarily that the law infringed on Fourteenth Amendment rights regarding protection of property (namely, the school's contracts with the families).

The Hill Military Academy, on the other hand, proposed this as their only allegation:

Appellee Hill Military Academy .... owns considerable real and personal property, some useful only for school purposes. The business and incident good will are very valuable. In order to conduct its affairs, long time contracts must be made for supplies, equipment, teachers, and pupils. Appellants, law officers of the state and county, have publicly announced that the Act of November 7, 1922, is valid and have declared their intention to enforce it. By reason of the statute and threat of enforcement appellee's business is being destroyed and its property depreciated .... The Academy's bill states the foregoing facts and then alleges that the challenged act contravenes the corporation's rights guaranteed by the Fourteenth Amendment (268 U.S. 510, 532-533)
The schools won their case before a three-judge panel of the Oregon District Court, which granted an injunction against the Act. The defendants appealed their case directly to the Supreme Court of the United States. The Court heard the case on 16 and 17 March 1925.

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The Decision
The appellants' lawyers, Willis S. Moore for the state and district attorneys, and George E. Chamberlain and Albert H. Putney, for the governor, argued that the state had an overriding interest to oversee and control the providers of education to the children of Oregon. One of them even went so far as to call Oregonian students "the State's children". They contended that the State's interest in overseeing the education of citizens and future voters was so great that it overrode the parents' right to choose a provider of education for their child, and the right of the child to influence the parent in this decision. With respect to the appellees' claims that their loss of business infringed on Fourteenth Amendment rights, the appellants' lawyers countered that since appellees were corporations, not individuals, the Fourteenth Amendment did not directly apply to them. In addition, they asserted, the revenues of a corporation were not property, and thus did not fall under the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Finally, they argued that since the law was not scheduled to take effect until September of the following year, the suits were brought prematurely -- to protect against a possible coming danger, not to rectify a current problem.

The appellees replied that they were not contesting the right of the state to monitor their children's education, only its right to absolute control of their choice of educational system:

No question is raised concerning the power of the state reasonably to regulate all schools, to inspect, supervise and examine them, their teachers and pupils; to require that all children of proper age attend some school, that teachers shall be of good moral character and patriotic disposition, that certain studies plainly essential to good citizenship must be taught, and that nothing be taught which is manifestly inimical to the public welfare. (268 U.S. 510, 534)
Further, they replied that although the state had a powerful interest in their children's education, the interest was not so strong as to require the state's mandate of an educational choice of this sort. Barring a great emergency, they claimed, the state had no right to require their children to attend, or not to attend, any particular sort of school.

The Court deliberated for about 10 weeks before issuing their decision on 1 June 1925.

Associate Justice James Clark McReynolds wrote the opinion of the Court. He stated that children were not "the mere creature[s] of the state" (268 U.S. 510, 535), and that, by its very nature, the traditional American understanding of the term liberty prevented the state from forcing students to accept instruction only from public schools. He stated that this responsibility belonged to the child's parents or guardians, and that the ability to make such a choice was a "liberty" protected by the Fourteenth Amendment.

With respect to the discussion of whether or not the schools' contracts with parents constituted property protected by the Fourteenth Amendment, Justice McReynolds agreed that since the schools were corporations, they were not technically entitled to such protections. However, he continued,

they have business and property for which they claim protection. These are threatened with destruction through the unwarranted compulsion which appellants are exercising over present and prospective patrons of their schools. And this court has gone very far to protect against loss threatened by such action. (268 U.S. 510, 535)
Justice McReynolds also agreed that businesses are not generally entitled to protection against loss of business subsequent to "exercise of proper power of the state" (268 U.S. 510, 535). However, citing a number of relevant business and property law cases, he concluded that the passage of the revised Act was not "proper power" in this sense, and constituted unlawful interference with the freedom of both schools and families.

In response to the claims by the appellants that the suits were premature, attempting to prevent rather than to rectify a problem, Justice McReynolds simply referred them to the evidence provided by the appellees showing that the schools were already suffering falling enrollments.

The Court unanimously upheld the lower court's decision, and the injunction against the amended Act.

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Implications
This decision marked the beginning of a period of more liberal interpretation of due process; specifically, the Court recognized consciously that it had allowed the Fourteenth Amendment to apply to entities other than individuals, and had broadened the list of liberties or rights which it protected. Over the course of the next half century, that list would be extended to include the right to marry, to have children, to marital privacy, to have an abortion, and others.

The case has unsuccessfully been cited in attempts to establish a "right to die" (Washington et al. vs. Glucksberg et al.)

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Footnotes
^ See the text of the amended Act at FindLaw.com (accessed 20 December 2005)
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See also
List of Oregon ballot measures
Oregon Governor Walter M. Pierce
List of United States Supreme Court Cases
Substantive due process
Meyer v. Nebraska, 262 U.S. 390 (1923)


42 posted on 11/19/2006 1:05:49 PM PST by WV Mountain Mama (What would Reagan do?)
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To: Mercat

I just finished Milan's book. It should be required reading for everyone. Simple and easy to understand, back to the basics.

Reinforced some necessary perspective for my family as we head into the teen years. Cesar, well, rocks.


43 posted on 11/19/2006 1:08:06 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: pollyannaish

We have a dachshund who parks just to keep from exploding. See any Dave Barry column to learn about this phenomonon. He was at the back of the yard barking at something yesterday and my husband did the hiss at him from the second story deck and he quit and came back to the house. That stuff really works!!!


44 posted on 11/19/2006 1:12:01 PM PST by Mercat
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To: paulat

I tried Ritalin a few times and it mimics a cocaine buzz. Actually it is the same thing, a derivitive of cocaine. I believe most school shootings are tied to this drug and after taking it a few times I can see why. Cocaine turns you into a freak and it takes a long time to lose the bad effects from the drug.


45 posted on 11/19/2006 1:12:24 PM PST by John Lenin (The most dangerous place for a child in America is indeed in its mother's womb)
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To: paulat
He was more focused on reading adult level texts about the Sahara desert, his current interest. But he was feeling worse and worse about his less-than-stellar grades, …

It would seem that the boy had no trouble learning, so long as he was learning about something that interested him. I am not sure that that is so bad.

What is bad, however, is the boy's concern about his grades. As a university professor, I see too many students who are obsessed with getting good grades, but seem uninterested in actually learning anything. Every semester, about this time, students come to me saying, "Professor, I'm worried about my grade in your course." I don't recall anyone ever saying, "I am worried that I haven't learned enough in your course."

So if the boy has a passion for learning about the Sahara desert, let him. His interest will change in a few months, and he'll suddenly want to learn all there is to know about some other subject. After a few years, he will be very knowledgeable indeed.

46 posted on 11/19/2006 1:12:24 PM PST by Logophile
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To: Mercat
We have a dachshund who parks just to keep from exploding.

LOL, Mercat!!! Maybe he could parallel "park" for me! Hate for him to explode!

47 posted on 11/19/2006 1:14:02 PM PST by paulat
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To: paulat

opps, that would be barks.


48 posted on 11/19/2006 1:14:53 PM PST by Mercat
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To: Cvengr
I suspect...more joyfully employed than his....

You're not from around here, are you....

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is doing a ton of good work...some of it lefty-stupid....but still...$29-billion dedicated to helping others is not a bad way to go.

49 posted on 11/19/2006 1:16:06 PM PST by paulat
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To: John Lenin
I tried Ritalin a few times and it mimics a cocaine buzz. Actually it is the same thing, a derivitive of cocaine. I believe most school shootings are tied to this drug and after taking it a few times I can see why. Cocaine turns you into a freak and it takes a long time to lose the bad effects from the drug.

Thanks. I understand that Ritalin is a kind of amphetamine...so that makes a good deal of sense.

50 posted on 11/19/2006 1:17:53 PM PST by paulat
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To: Dianna
My son did go and choose books during summer but never picked up even one to read on his own.

I love your story...but where were the weekly, "where's your summary" accountability sessions?

51 posted on 11/19/2006 1:20:16 PM PST by paulat
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To: JRios1968

those are the very ones they target to be medicated.


52 posted on 11/19/2006 1:22:22 PM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: WV Mountain Mama

Thanks for the info.


53 posted on 11/19/2006 1:25:08 PM PST by webstersII
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To: paulat

Agreed...


54 posted on 11/19/2006 1:27:53 PM PST by JRios1968 (Tagline wanted...inquire within)
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To: WV Mountain Mama

Excellent point, WV! Which is precisely why I have been so reluctant to even discuss it with anyone.


55 posted on 11/19/2006 1:29:06 PM PST by JRios1968 (Tagline wanted...inquire within)
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To: ican'tbelieveit

That has been an option I am willing to consider. Mrs JRios is a teacher, after all, and if she is home with the kids, might as well teach them too...I say.


56 posted on 11/19/2006 1:30:50 PM PST by JRios1968 (Tagline wanted...inquire within)
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To: paulat
I had the same feelings as I did when I used to use cocaine. It brought back all the bad memories. This drug has long term negative effects that will show up years after it is prescribed. Cocaine in the beginning is a wonderful drug, it makes you feel confident and good about yourself but after a few years it does the exact opposite to you, turning you into a paranoid freak as you realize you have lost control of the drug.
57 posted on 11/19/2006 1:31:40 PM PST by John Lenin (The most dangerous place for a child in America is indeed in its mother's womb)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

Thanks for the encouragement. I really don't want him drugged. I (still to this day) have had signs of ADD myself. My method of control is to simply concentrate more...it's rarely failed me...and I became an engineer and an Air Force officer.


58 posted on 11/19/2006 1:32:42 PM PST by JRios1968 (Tagline wanted...inquire within)
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To: Halls

I would be willing to try that...I just don't know if I can withstand my son becoming dependent on a chemical to "function". More to come, I know.


59 posted on 11/19/2006 1:34:58 PM PST by JRios1968 (Tagline wanted...inquire within)
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To: John Lenin
Cocaine in the beginning is a wonderful drug

I thank God I never tried it...it would be right up my alley...I can't think of anything more tailor-made to my type-A personality. It took a lot of my friends down.

60 posted on 11/19/2006 1:36:22 PM PST by paulat
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