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Personally, I'm far more afraid of Giuliani than Hitlery

I see that as an example of how some folks when they are the extreme far right or left of the spectrum start to mirror each other. I've seen other posters who start to mirror Al Kaida ...saying they'd rather lose a major American city then have Rudy who believes abortion should be legal who would be tougher then some pro-lifers on national security. The fact that Rudy has a very good shot at winning has pushed some folks on the far social right over the edge.

I've seen other posters who start to mirror Al Kaida ...saying they'd rather lose a major American city then have Rudy who believes abortion should be legal who would be tougher then some pro-lifers on national security.

Personally, I think the same things happen when elect one liberal or another. I do not think Rudy will make us safer than Hillary. Or Chuck Schumer. The problem is liberalism. There are no indications in his record to show us he actually is tough on terrorism. Or that he has some master plan. If he does, let's hear it.

You all seem to think you can rush into the room, scream "Rudy Rudy Rudy he will save us" and we all just hand you the nomination and the Dims swarm to vote for him. In some bizarre way, you have concluded that the GOP was far too conservative in 2006 elections and that the cure is to field the most liberal candidate for president in history. More liberal than George McGovern back in '72, more liberal than Walter Mondale and Mike Dukakis. Worse, more liberal than Hillary on some issues. Like PBA and gay rights. She will run to his right and he'll be helpless.

I think it will be a tooth-and-nail fight for the nomination. The liberals' insistence on a Rudy may fatally wound anyone who wins the nomination. And his liberal policy record will destroy the party's downstream conservative candidates. Well, unless they are very very liberal like Rudy is.

We already saw what Bob Dole's public disagreement with the party platform produced back in '96. We don't need a repeat because some northeastern Republicans prefer only to have a choice between two liberal candidates for president. I'd point out that this is the exact situation which has developed in Canada, a country with two very liberal dominant parties.