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Carnal Knowledge (Man has sex with deer - outstanding lawyer comes up with excellent defense)
The Wall Street Journal ^ | November 17, 2006 | James Taranto

Posted on 11/17/2006 1:48:28 PM PST by Zakeet

A Minnesota man is charged with having his way with a deer, but he claims it was just venison, the Superior Daily Telegram reports:

Bryan James Hathaway, 20, of Superior faces a misdemeanor charge of sexual gratification with an animal. He is accused of having sex with a dead deer he saw beside Stinson Avenue on Oct. 11.

A motion filed last week by his attorney, public defender Fredric Anderson, argued that because the deer was dead, it was not considered an animal and the charge should be dismissed.

The Smoking Gun has Hathaway's mug shot and a copy of the complaint, which states:

Defining animal to include carcasses would lead to absurd results. At what point of decompose would the carcass cease being an animal? Would picked-over skeletal remains still meet the definition? At death, an animal ceases to be an animal. As Billy Crystal noted in The Princess Bride (1987), "There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead."

The Telegram quotes Judge Michael Lucci, who is considering the motion: "I’m a little surprised this issue hasn’t been tackled before in another case." Yeah, we're sure this sort of thing comes up all the time up there.

(Excerpt) Read more at opinionjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: bryanhathaway; bryanjameshathaway; deer; fredricanderson; michaellucci; moralabsolutes; notgonnapingit; perversion; princessbride; sex
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To: Zakeet

Looks like a Mexican to me, but what do I know?


61 posted on 11/17/2006 2:30:51 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: Sender
"No Grandpa, Grandma said to kill it and pluck it!"

Okay, that one made me laugh out loud.

62 posted on 11/17/2006 2:32:41 PM PST by IrishRainy (The only way BJ Clinton would have nailed bin Laden is if Ossama had been a White House intern.)
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To: Zakeet

Just because his parents wouldn't let him ride the Merry Go Round.


63 posted on 11/17/2006 2:34:09 PM PST by ditto h
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To: WashingtonSource
Looks like a Mexican to me, but what do I know?

If you are correct....that of course would explain it.....Jose and the boys don't turn anything down... except ole dead deer...they turn them face down!!

64 posted on 11/17/2006 2:36:42 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..POW input)
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To: muir_redwoods

The deer must have asked for it by walking across the road and getting hit.[sarc]


65 posted on 11/17/2006 2:37:23 PM PST by builder (I don't want a piece of someone else's pie)
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To: Zakeet
Wow. This guy must really like jerked venison!
66 posted on 11/17/2006 2:37:28 PM PST by 4yearlurker (I'm surrounded by Union Dems in the 12th district! Alone in the wilderness.)
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To: Zakeet

As Billy Crystal noted in The Princess Bride (1987), "There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead."

Are there rocks ahead? If there all we'll all be dead.


67 posted on 11/17/2006 2:37:56 PM PST by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: stylecouncilor

ping


68 posted on 11/17/2006 2:38:54 PM PST by windcliff
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To: All
Maybe this fellow was making a stag movie.
69 posted on 11/17/2006 2:39:48 PM PST by 4yearlurker (I'm surrounded by Union Dems in the 12th district! Alone in the wilderness.)
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To: Zakeet

Yuck! With a goat, one could understand, but with a deer?!


70 posted on 11/17/2006 2:39:48 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Who invented rock and roll hiccups?)
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To: Zakeet

Lol! The lawyer has a point though. Laws against sex with animals weren't passed because it was sick, they were passed because it's considered cruel to the animals (it wasn't made illegal in most of the US until animal rights protesters began pushing the issue in the 1970's...prior to that, people having sex with animals were just tossed into the funny farm). If the animal was dead, the lawyer can make the case that the law doesn't apply since no suffering was involved.

There's still public indecency charges that can be lobbed against the guy, and a smart prosecutor would tack them on now, but he'll probably walk on the other charge.

And I have to admit that I don't get the thinking of those who think he needs jailtime. Prison serves two purposes, isolating dangerous people from society, and punishing them to discourage such behavior in the future. If this guys fetish is for dead animals, he really isn't a danger to society, he's just wierd. It also indicates that he's got mental issues, which a prison stay isn't going to cure.

No, what this boy needs is a long stay in a padded room.


71 posted on 11/17/2006 2:42:18 PM PST by Arthalion
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To: atomicpossum

Dollars to donuts, this sicko was going for a dying quiver.


72 posted on 11/17/2006 2:44:35 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: Zakeet
All right, venison is out. Is leather still okay?


73 posted on 11/17/2006 2:45:30 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Zakeet

"I'll have the venison."


74 posted on 11/17/2006 2:45:51 PM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Parmenio

I wonder if that's called zoonecrophilia? What a weirdo!
I have to admit, I've never heard of anyone having a penchant for sex with dead animals. ICK!
susie


75 posted on 11/17/2006 2:46:09 PM PST by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: N. Theknow

More like j f'n carrie lookin for some doe!!!!

Well his doe is spelled tareeeeza!!!


76 posted on 11/17/2006 2:46:36 PM PST by US_MilitaryRules (Time to eradicated islambs and mooselimbs! GO PTSC)
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To: MotleyGirl70; Cagey; Mr. Brightside

Personally, I find the pastrami to be the most sensual of all the salted cured meats.


77 posted on 11/17/2006 2:47:22 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Zakeet

I didn't know that there's a law against bestiality. Not that I'm condoning such action, but how are we going to actually enforce the law? I think law against indecency in public is enough...


78 posted on 11/17/2006 2:47:40 PM PST by paudio (War on Terror is more important than War on Gay Marriage...)
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To: unspun

I'll drink to that!


79 posted on 11/17/2006 2:50:34 PM PST by TaMoDee
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To: paudio

Actually, it may be wise from a public health standpoint to have laws against beastiality. Remember where they assume AIDS came from.
susie


80 posted on 11/17/2006 2:51:04 PM PST by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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