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To: little jeremiah
But there IS a vaccine for the primary carriers (birds). It does have a lethality rate that would be economically unacceptable in US or European poultry flocks. Even Asian nations did not quibble about killing off hundreds of thousands of birds. Human vaccine development may not become necessary in the event that the primary carriers are vaccinated. Reference rabies. The point being that Asian nations must develop hygiene, healthcare, and basic sanitary conditions. Or risk becoming quarantined nations. In case nobody noticed, we shut down all international travel one day in September, 2001. It would be very possible to isolate specific countries or origination points, and exterminate the bulk of the primary carriers. The Chinese are showing little restraint with respect to dogs and rabies this very day.
57 posted on 11/16/2006 9:03:14 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

Some of the people in Indonesia who have gotten it apparently didn't get it from birds. Also Niman says that the specs for the flu bird have in Indo isn't the same as the version people are getting. I'm a worse than layman so if you want to know about these details check the sites I've read. Unless you want to continue to think that the threat is imaginary, in which case be my guest.


61 posted on 11/16/2006 9:13:42 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: ARealMothersSonForever; All

http://www.fluwikie2.com/pmwiki.php?n=Forum.NewsReportsForNovember16

Bird Flu Finding a way to Evolve?

ScienceNOW Daily News 16 November 2006


“The H5N1 virus, better known as bird flu, may have a way of becoming more dangerous to people. Researchers have identified two mutations in a surface protein of the virus that enable it to bind more easily to human cells. Watching for these mutations in viruses isolated from people could provide early warning of the emergence of a virus with pandemic potential.


Avian and human viruses differ in the types of receptor proteins they recognize. This has made human H5N1 infections thankfully rare—so far, there have been only 258 cases in 10 countries (ScienceNOW, 9 February). Key to this discrimination is a protein known as hemagglutinin—the H in H5N1—which is tailor-made to bind to receptors on bird cells. It is thought that an avian influenza virus will only be able to infect people efficiently if the hemagglutinin protein mutates in a way that facilitates its binding to human cell receptors.


To search for such mutations, an international team led by Yoshihiro Kawaoka, a virologist at the University of Tokyo and the University of Wisconsin, Madison, screened viral samples collected from both birds and humans. This enabled the researchers to zero in on two single amino acid changes on the hemagglutinin molecule, each of which enables the virus to bind to human receptors. A structural analysis of these proteins found that the two amino acids are located in positions on the molecule where they could be involved in binding to host cell receptors. Both mutations were isolated from humans infected with the virus and were not present in any of more than 600 avian isolates checked, the group reports today in Nature.


Previous work indicates that the human cell receptors the mutated H5N1 could target are present in the upper respiratory tract. This sets the stage for the virus to be spread among humans through coughing and sneezing, says Kawaoka.


“It’s an important finding because it shows the possible molecular and structural basis for differences in viral attachment patterns,” says Thijs Kuiken, a pathologist at Erasmus University in Rotterdam, the Netherlands, who has been studying how the H5N1 virus crosses the species barrier. But he is cautious about the implications for a pandemic. “The fact that the virus attaches to a particular receptor on a cell does not immediately mean that it can replicate in that cell,” he says.


Kawaoka agrees that additional mutations are probably needed for the virus to acquire pandemic potential. “The problem is we don’t know how many steps away a pandemic strain is,” he says.”


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Keep in mind that the researchers did not have access to all the information in the possession of China or the WHO.


62 posted on 11/16/2006 9:19:29 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: ARealMothersSonForever; blam; Judith Anne; All

Okay, my last post for the night:

(FW is up and running again.)

http://www.fluwikie2.com/pmwiki.php?n=Forum.NewClusterInEgypt

Four Suspect H5N1 Patients Hospitalized in Suhaj Egypt Recombinomics Commentary November 16, 2006

The university hospital in Suhaj detained 3 children and a factor for the suspicion of their injury by the bird flu epidemic and they are Faten Ahmed Shawqi, its sister Manar and Shaimaa and their neighbour Mohamed Al Sayed “a worker” the child and the worker was injured by a pneumonia and a sharp descent in the heart and lost the awareness -


The above translation desscribes four suspect H5N1 bird flu patients hospitalized in central Egypt. Two patients are already unconcious, and the cluster includes three siblings and a neighbor.


Clusters in Egypt are cause for concern. The HA from a recent fatality had M230I, which matches all three seasonal flu’s (Influenza A H3N2 and H1N1 as well as Influenza B. The change creates five consecutive amino acids (QSGRI) that match the receptor binding domain of infleunza B, raising ocnerns of increased human-to-human transmission.

(Additional link on FW.)


65 posted on 11/16/2006 9:37:46 PM PST by little jeremiah
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