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You have said nothing. I wonder what your point is? Seriously. Are you honestly wanting to say that the history of mankind shows that there is no pain or suffering here? Or that condemnation doesn't contribute to pain and suffering?

I'll ask again - do you understand that condemnation hurts? Do you understand what I am talking about when I use the word condemnation?

Others that are writing at this time - acknowledge that condemnation does hurt but they think it is ok to hurt others. What is your belief about condemnation? And I am not talking about what government does - I am talking about when one person condemns another as has been demonstrated here by those on this thread who condemn Rick Warren.

Your posts about talking doctrine are tiring. I am talking about what I want to talk about. Others have wanted me to discuss *their* doctrine.

You have said nothing. I wonder what your point is?

On the contrary, i've said plenty, you merely have refused to hear. In light of the fact that you have chosen to believe fiction, i'm not surprised that you do not recognise truth. You have made my point repeatedly, namely that your hypocritical condemnation of those who criticise Warren's actions in this matter demonstrates that you have no understanding of what you write on this thread.

Are you honestly wanting to say that the history of mankind shows that there is no pain or suffering here? Or that condemnation doesn't contribute to pain and suffering?

Two unrelated concepts. None the less, you asked, so my answer is below:

Pain and Suffering exist, and are the universal human condition at this time.
You must first define condemnation and thus appeal to dogma before you can make the claim that condemnation causes anything.

I'll ask again - do you understand that condemnation hurts? Do you understand what I am talking about when I use the word condemnation?

Why don't you define the word for us. Let us see if your definition is acceptable. After that is accomplished, we will again test your unsubstantiated thesis.

Others that are writing at this time - acknowledge that condemnation does hurt but they think it is ok to hurt others.

i'm not resposnible for what others think, nor does it particularly impress or influence me.

What is your belief about condemnation? And I am not talking about what government does - I am talking about when one person condemns another as has been demonstrated here by those on this thread who condemn Rick Warren.

i thought you didn't want to discuss dogma? Yet you continuously cite dogma in your posts (note that i said DOGMA, not BIBLE a dogmatic statement does not have to quote the bible).

Your posts about talking doctrine are tiring. I am talking about what I want to talk about. Others have wanted me to discuss *their* doctrine.

Simple solution to that: Stop quoting doctrine while condemning others for doing so. If you don't want to discuss doctrine, then stop asserting your doctrine as true.