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To: Sunsong
That is fine...praise the man, if you so desire.

But we are talking apples and oranges here.

You are talking about a man and we are talking about a pastor of Christ's church (one dubbed America's pastor, no less).

The man may be "doing good things" but the pastor is leading falsely, like a hireling in the sheepfold rather than like a good shepherd.

"And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve." (2 Corinthians 11:14-15)

So Satan passes himself off as an angel and his servants pass themselves off as servants of righteousness (people doing good works). Is this a good thing and something to be lauded?

How are you going to tell the difference between the good and the bad?

247 posted on 11/16/2006 9:13:19 PM PST by pby
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To: pby
That is fine...praise the man, if you so desire.

So are you giving me permission? :-)

I praise him. You condemn him. We each make choices. I am happy with mine. I imagine you are happy with yours. So what is there to be so upset about?

250 posted on 11/16/2006 9:18:54 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: pby

I wonder if anyone has told Mr. Warren that while he was a committee chairman in the Illinois Legislature, Barack Hussein Obama blocked a law which would have stopped the practice of coldheartedly killing babies that were already born.

Jesus had some pretty harsh words for those who would abet harm to little children.

He said it would be better for them if they had a millstone hung around their neck and were thrown into the sea, if I remember correctly...


252 posted on 11/16/2006 9:23:09 PM PST by EternalVigilance (I'll stop believing in fences when they tear down the one around the White House...)
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To: pby

This isn't proof positive that Warren is pretty much tithing to himself, but it is interesting. Check out the last sentence.


http://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/content.asp?contentid=498


"Mr. Rick Warren
Author
The Purpose Driven Life

Mr. Warren is a participating dinner speaker at The Philanthropy Roundtable’s Annual Meeting on Thursday November 10, 2005 on the topic "Philanthropy and the Purpose Driven Life."

Rick Warren is an author and pastor. Time named him one of “15 World Leaders Who Mattered Most in 2004.” Dr. Warren is the founding pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, CA, one of America’s largest and best-known churches. He also founded the Purpose Driven movement, a global network of over 100,000 churches in 160 countries, and has trained over 350,000 pastors, ministers, and priests worldwide. According to Publishers Weekly, Rick’s book The Purpose Driven Life has been the bestselling book in the world for both 2003 and 2004, and is the bestselling hardback non-fiction book in American history. It has been on The New York Times bestseller list for a record 110 weeks and has been translated into over 50 languages. Rick’s previous book, The Purpose Driven Church, also an international bestseller, won the prestigious Gold Medallion Award in 1996 and was voted one of the “100 Christian Books That Changed the 20 th Century.” Forbes called it “the best book on entrepreneurship, business, and leadership.” Rick and Kay Warren give away 90 percent of the profits of the book to charitable causes, including their global P.E.A.C.E. plan, and Acts of Mercy, which serves those infected and affected by AIDS."


255 posted on 11/16/2006 9:33:51 PM PST by Cecily (`)
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